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General Conversation 8: Live and Let Die
What's your strategy? (details)
Who you gonna attack? (details)
What's your MILPO? (details)
Hmm, scary -- so scary.
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| May 3, 2018, 10:41 am
Who is your daddy, and what does he do?
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| May 3, 2018, 10:42 am
Quoting Zach Sweigart
Who is your daddy, and what does he do?

That line only works if it is delivered with a thick Austrian accent.
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| May 3, 2018, 11:06 am
Quoting Mark B.
That line only works if it is delivered with a thick Austrian accent.

You are very correct, sir.
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| May 3, 2018, 11:44 am
 Group admin 
Fun fact: Ctrl+K takes screenshots with a blank white background in LDD, straight from build mode.
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| May 3, 2018, 12:10 pm
MOC Pages main page seems ok and has numerous DA3 builds on the featured list at the moment... perhaps another crisis averted. [crosses fingers]
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| May 3, 2018, 1:12 pm
Quoting Doug Hughes
MOC Pages main page seems ok and has numerous DA3 builds on the featured list at the moment... perhaps another crisis averted. [crosses fingers]
It also could be the 1st time in history that half the featured creations on the home page are digital :D

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| May 3, 2018, 1:17 pm
Quoting Digital Dreams
Quoting Doug Hughes
MOC Pages main page seems ok and has numerous DA3 builds on the featured list at the moment... perhaps another crisis averted. [crosses fingers]
It also could be the 1st time in history that half the featured creations on the home page are digital :D

Oh wow, you're right!!
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| May 3, 2018, 1:20 pm
131! By 131 votes! *passes out*
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| May 3, 2018, 3:29 pm
 Group admin 
Many congratulations to the new boss. Well done Tom!
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| May 3, 2018, 3:42 pm
Congrats Tom! That was quite the exciting race! Cheers!
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| May 3, 2018, 4:02 pm
Thank you all! I had to leave the Pages right after you said "13 minutes left..." WHen I got home, how I rushed to the screen, and yes! I really wasn't sure of the outcome. Zach, you're a very good sport but I had no doubt about that. Thanks again everyone!
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| May 3, 2018, 4:24 pm
Quoting Tom Remy
Thank you all! I had to leave the Pages right after you said "13 minutes left..." WHen I got home, how I rushed to the screen, and yes! I really wasn't sure of the outcome. Zach, you're a very good sport but I had no doubt about that. Thanks again everyone!

Cheers, Tom! I'm sure you'll do great. Heck, you got experience!
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| May 3, 2018, 4:31 pm
Congratulations to Tom for becoming the new CM, and to Zach for making it so close! Great stuff everybody!

Also, my computer's been on the fritz lately, so I'll be more inactive for the next 24 hours (I'll still make it for the AW). Rest assured, likes will go to MOC's once she's fixed.

Cheers all.
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| May 3, 2018, 6:27 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman

What's your dad's name? = Wolfpa
And your mom's? = Wolfma
Any allergies? = You may think it's silver, but that's an urban legend.
How was prom? = Fine. I went with a skeleton, but everyone said I went with a nobody.
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| May 3, 2018, 6:29 pm
What's your dad's name? = [CLASSIFIED]
And your mom's? = [CLASSIFIED]
Any allergies? = [CLASSIFIED]
How was prom? = [CLASSIFIED]
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| May 3, 2018, 9:42 pm
Uh, am I supossed to be able to remove other people`s creations from this group? Because I have that option.
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| May 3, 2018, 10:43 pm
Quoting LEGONINJA 5102
Uh, am I supossed to be able to remove other people`s creations from this group? Because I have that option.

No, you aren't supposed to, but that's MOCpages for you. It will probably crash tomorrow morning just to spite me. Snap, I just jinxed it!
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| May 3, 2018, 10:46 pm
Hey, any new players (that havent dropped) wanna come on down and be neighbors we me on D? Its pretty nice out here! Rolling grassy hills, beautiful sandy beaches, nuclear craters... what more could you ask for? Come on down next to W.A.L.L! You wont(will) regret it!
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| May 4, 2018, 1:54 am
Nah ..I'm reading mixed reviews on Yelp about the Island of D :)
Quoting General Gunn ~
Hey, any new players (that havent dropped) wanna come on down and be neighbors we me on D? Its pretty nice out here! Rolling grassy hills, beautiful sandy beaches, nuclear craters... what more could you ask for? Come on down next to W.A.L.L! You wont(will) regret it!


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| May 4, 2018, 6:23 am
Someone unliked my Ranger I think, right on the eve of battle. 3 ratings, two heads:
http://moc-pages.com/moc.php/447050#comments

I don't say it couldn't be an MOCpages problem, but if it doesn't show up on the frontpage that would be pretty bad...
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| May 4, 2018, 12:49 pm
That could be, I think I got one on my circuit board almost immediately.
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| May 4, 2018, 12:59 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
I'm pretty sure there is a malcontent either in the group or in the general population of MOCpages who is intentionally giving 1's to all DA MOCs.

I think so too. I've seen several DA3 MOCs go from the front page to not and then back again several times over the course of a single day. Something is fishy, I'll agree.
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| May 4, 2018, 1:09 pm
Well, we can live with it. It seems you can get on the frontpage anyways, if you get a few more positive reviews.
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| May 4, 2018, 1:16 pm
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Quoting Keith Goldman
I'm pretty sure there is a malcontent either in the group or in the general population of MOCpages who is intentionally giving 1's to all DA MOCs.

It's Sean Kenney. True story...
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| May 4, 2018, 1:53 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

Build, then build again!
Give Bacca a "war hug."
200? 200~ish.
Yes.

I'm ready for your war hug, ima hug back.
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| May 4, 2018, 2:11 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
I do love a good conspiracy but everyone knows Kenney pays no attention to this site. No, I think itís an international cabal of fire truck builders, who ruled this place e right before DA3 launched.

Now, I cant tell if you are sarcastic about the fire truck community
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| May 4, 2018, 2:38 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
I do love a good conspiracy but everyone knows Kenney pays no attention to this site. No, I think itís an international cabal of fire truck builders, who ruled this place e right before DA3 launched.

It was probably the hobbits or bionicle )))
Or hobbits in fire trucks!
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| May 4, 2018, 3:15 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
It was probably the hobbits or bionicle )))
Or hobbits in fire trucks!

Or bionic hobbits that share a cyber-consciousness with AI-controlled fire trucks.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:18 pm
May the 4th be with you.

Happy Star Wars day everyone.


On a better note, the guy that took my brother in laws life has been arrested and charged.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:26 pm
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Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
May the 4th be with you.

Happy Star Wars day everyone.


On a better note, the guy that took my brother in laws life has been arrested and charged.

That's good news, I hope you all can in time find some closure. It's a long road and I wish you the very best.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:31 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
That's good news, I hope you all can in time find some closure. It's a long road and I wish you the very best.

Thanks brother.
It's a start, we had the funeral yesterday too.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:35 pm
That is some sobering comment to read Bacca, I wish you and your family all the best. At the least it is good to know the culprit has been caught.
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It seems a bit strange to 'attack' in this wargame on Dutch remembrance day today, respect to all those who fought and fight for our liberty IRL. Peace.


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| May 4, 2018, 3:36 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
Thanks brother.
It's a start, we had the funeral yesterday too.

I can't even begin to understand what you and your family are going through, but I wish you the best. Stay strong, my friend.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:37 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
That's good news Bacca, I know it doesn't bring him back but at least it's a step in the right direction. I wish you guys the best.

Thanks brochacho.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:37 pm
http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/447058

For your viewing pleasure. :D

(I hope. :P)
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| May 4, 2018, 3:38 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
I can't even begin to understand what you and your family are going through, but I wish you the best. Stay strong, my friend.

Thanks duder.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:38 pm
Quoting Pico van Grootveld
That is some sobering comment to read Bacca, I wish you and your family all the best. At the least it is good to know the culprit has been caught.
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It seems a bit strange to 'attack' in this wargame on Dutch remembrance day today, respect to all those who fought and fight for our liberty IRL. Peace.


Thanks homeboy.


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| May 4, 2018, 3:39 pm
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Quoting Pico van Grootveld

It seems a bit strange to 'attack' in this wargame on Dutch remembrance day today, respect to all those who fought and fight for our liberty IRL. Peace.


Topsy won't mind if you have a day off.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:40 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
Thanks brother.
It's a start, we had the funeral yesterday too.

I'm sure you'll always remember him long after his killer is forgotten.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:42 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
May justice be served!

It will. I got a few peeps in the same correctional facility he's in, there gonna say hi for me.

Anyways, enough sadness.

Attack!
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| May 4, 2018, 3:44 pm
Those fire men fight better than the warriors of DA3 it seems! Argh, just got my Cyber Board knocked off the home page.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:49 pm
Good job Patrick, you beat me!
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| May 4, 2018, 3:55 pm
Whew, I'm slow, seeing like five comments before mine was scary. That was thrilling! Gah, going blind.
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| May 4, 2018, 3:58 pm
Now or never Gunn.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:00 pm
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Quoting W Navarre
Whew, I'm slow, seeing like five comments before mine was scary. That was thrilling! Gah, going blind.

Only five ? You must be good at this. There's always about 20 before mine...
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| May 4, 2018, 4:01 pm
Nice move Tom... But just know... Traitors never prosper. Have fun dying.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:01 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
Only five ? You must be good at this. There's always about 20 before mine...

Oh, it was ten when properly counted, but it looked like five. Haha, I don't know, this is the first time I've been there at the time of the attack, and whew, good thing it worked out! I was so afraid MOCpages would crash and I'd be stranded till Monday which would have been a bad day for an AW for me.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:03 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Nice move Tom... But just know... Traitors never prosper. Have fun dying.

We'll see. But in this game, non traitors never win
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| May 4, 2018, 4:06 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Nice move Tom... But just know... Traitors never prosper. Have fun dying.

But I love a good traitor! It would be so much fun to strategically turn around and turn the tide of battle...
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| May 4, 2018, 4:07 pm
Tough fight...
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| May 4, 2018, 4:09 pm
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Quoting Tom Remy
We'll see. But in this game, non traitors never win

True dat. Now, will Gunn turn on Boyle ? The world waits with bated breath...
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| May 4, 2018, 4:10 pm
Now is a good time to like my DA3 folder if you haven't done so already.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:11 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
True dat. Now, will Gunn turn on Boyle ? The world waits with bated breath...

*Dramatic music*
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| May 4, 2018, 4:11 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
Tough fight...

Looks like General Doug Hughes may have avoided a 2-way attack from Topsy and Pico. He hit E10 before Topsy hit E9. If his attack succeeds, then it's only Pico vs Doug.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:12 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
A minute twenty before the end of the world...

Is it good to be alone on the island? )))
Do you have cat food there is no case?
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| May 4, 2018, 4:13 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
Now is a good time to like my DA3 folder if you haven't done so already.

You like mine, I like yours.

With no taking the likes back till after this AW is over.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:13 pm
I blame the tequila.

Quoting Sam Sanister
Looks like General Doug Hughes may have avoided a 2-way attack from Topsy and Pico. He hit E10 before Topsy hit E9. If his attack succeeds, then it's only Pico vs Doug.


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| May 4, 2018, 4:13 pm
Quoting W Navarre
You like mine, I like yours.

With no taking the likes back till after this AW is over.

Deal.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:14 pm
Quoting Tom Remy
*Dramatic music*

I was actually playing music when the attack happened. Made me more nervous actually, but it was exciting ;) .
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| May 4, 2018, 4:14 pm
Quoting Sam Sanister
Looks like General Doug Hughes may have avoided a 2-way attack from Topsy and Pico. He hit E10 before Topsy hit E9. If his attack succeeds, then it's only Pico vs Doug.

And the attack on the Champion? And the split in the H.I.D.D.E.N?
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| May 4, 2018, 4:15 pm
Quoting Pico van Grootveld

I was sweating bullets. I figured that's what you two were up to. And my group took a coworker out for lunch so I was frantically refreshing on my cell as we roll back into the parking lot haha... such stress!!
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| May 4, 2018, 4:16 pm
GUNN!

This is the moment
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| May 4, 2018, 4:20 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
And the attack on the Champion? And the split in the H.I.D.D.E.N?

Well, the attack on the Champion is obvious.
Pretty sure the split is going according to *someone's* plan, but I don't know who or what is being planned. Lot of stuff going on everywhere, Rutherford/Goldman's map design for aggression is working.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:21 pm
Quoting Sam Sanister
Well, the attack on the Champion is obvious.
Pretty sure the split is going according to *someone's* plan, but I don't know who or what is being planned. Lot of stuff going on everywhere, Rutherford/Goldman's map design for aggression is working.


I blame roonTree.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:23 pm
A attack window during our country remembrance day.oh the irony
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| May 4, 2018, 4:23 pm
Quoting Sam Sanister
Well, the attack on the Champion is obvious.
Pretty sure the split is going according to *someone's* plan, but I don't know who or what is being planned. Lot of stuff going on everywhere, Rutherford/Goldman's map design for aggression is working.

Apparently equalized the power between the two major blocs. And cats starve...

https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/7/0/7/1991707.jpg
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| May 4, 2018, 4:24 pm
Quoting Sam Sanister
Well, the attack on the Champion is obvious.


Um, it was obvious last AW too and it didn't happen xD . So I consider this a success! (like my MOCs pleeze or it might not be)
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| May 4, 2018, 4:24 pm
Well at least you got lunch :D Hope it was nice?!

Had this kind of karma all week playing cards dangit.. should 've known.

Congratz on conquering the eastern part of E! I'm sure we're bound for some good times. I'll hook up with your colleagues to do the same next week aight?

Quoting Doug Hughes
I was sweating bullets. I figured that's what you two were up to. And my group took a coworker out for lunch so I was frantically refreshing on my cell as we roll back into the parking lot haha... such stress!!


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| May 4, 2018, 4:25 pm
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Quoting Michiel Norp
A attack window during our country remembrance day.oh the irony

And what an AW! You conniving, back-stabbing Generals... I love it!
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| May 4, 2018, 4:25 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
We have plenty of popcorn and hot wings!

We should get some beer from Mark B.
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| May 4, 2018, 4:25 pm
Quoting W Navarre

Um, it was obvious last AW too and it didn't happen xD . So I consider this a success! (like my MOCs pleeze or it might not be)

That's done
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| May 4, 2018, 4:28 pm
Save a tree, but doon't save roonTree...
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| May 4, 2018, 4:39 pm
AHA! MOcpages bugged and locked me outta my account. But donít worry, I have been watching what has taken place
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| May 4, 2018, 4:46 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
We should get some beer from Mark B.

We can send one of our fast supply ships over. We'll just have to tell the crew not to finish off the shipment before it arrives. ;-)

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| May 4, 2018, 5:04 pm
Quoting Tom Remy
We'll see. But in this game, non traitors never win

I myself am a HUGE fan of backstabbing, and I got to hand it to you, you and Andrei were genius in your strategy of backstabbing. But, the thing with backstabbing is not how do I survive the backlash from turning traitor, itís: how can I plan my attack perfectly. You pulled off a backstab, but at what cost? And, do you remember the very first rule ever created in HIDDEN? It would do you well to think back to it.
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| May 4, 2018, 5:07 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
AHA! MOcpages bugged and locked me outta my account. But donít worry, I have been watching what has taken place

You ruined the moment.
What's the matter McFly? Chicken?
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| May 4, 2018, 5:07 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
GUNN!

This is the moment

Sorry, but my loyalties lie elsewhere. ;)
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| May 4, 2018, 5:09 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
I myself am a HUGE fan of backstabbing, and I got to hand it to you, you and Andrei were genius in your strategy of backstabbing. But, the thing with backstabbing is not how do I survive the backlash from turning traitor, itís: how can I plan my attack perfectly. You pulled off a backstab, but at what cost? And, do you remember the very first rule ever created in HIDDEN? It would do you well to think back to it.

You should have attacked D2 and you'd have been with them. )))
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| May 4, 2018, 5:11 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
You should have attacked D2 and you'd have been with them. )))

A couldíve but you see, me and Bacca rush Patrick, Tom and Andrei rush Daniel. Tom Bacca Andrei and Myself would probably not see eye to eye. And, in a four way brawl, who would win? I backstab, but only when I am strong enough to.
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| May 4, 2018, 5:14 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
You should have attacked D2 and you'd have been with them. )))

I know right! When everyone's a traitor aren't you betraying them by not being a traitor? Just musing here, I know you still have friends, we shall see what they can do for you, hmm.
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| May 4, 2018, 5:16 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
A couldíve but you see, me and Bacca rush Patrick, Tom and Andrei rush Daniel. Tom Bacca Andrei and Myself would probably not see eye to eye. And, in a four way brawl, who would win? I backstab, but only when I am strong enough to.

Two weeks you've been telling me to attack boyle, but you don't have the stones to pull the trigger, weak.
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| May 4, 2018, 5:17 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
Two weeks you've been telling me to attack boyle, but you don't have the stones to pull the trigger, weak.

You actually thought I was going to? I just thought it was worth a try getting you spend an AW
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| May 4, 2018, 5:18 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
You actually thought I was going to? I just thought it was worth a try getting you spend an AW

Sounds like Bacca has exposed you as a conspirator against Boyle and the HIDDEN...

Very interesting attack window this has been.
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| May 4, 2018, 5:20 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
Sounds like Bacca has exposed you as a conspirator against Boyle and the HIDDEN...

Very interesting attack window this has been.

I have been in private communication with Bacca for a few weeks. I actually thought he knew I was faking from how skeptical he was
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| May 4, 2018, 5:22 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
You actually thought I was going to? I just thought it was worth a try getting you spend an AW

Seeing as I was cornered, now surrounded, you had your shot to rise above, now you'll just run from boyle, real smart general.
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| May 4, 2018, 5:22 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
Sounds like Bacca has exposed you as a conspirator against Boyle and the HIDDEN...

Very interesting attack window this has been.

So, I assume Tom is your puppet CM, so will you have him pass things that leave it just as skill for building? Or shall Tom be a cruel dictator?
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| May 4, 2018, 5:23 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

Gunn soliciting Bacca, against me???
*clutches pearls*

Interesting indeed.

Oh.. interesting, so interesting...
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| May 4, 2018, 5:25 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
Seeing as I was cornered, now surrounded, you had your shot to rise above, now you'll just run from boyle, real smart general.

BTW, I barterd for likes. Where are me likes? :P
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| May 4, 2018, 5:27 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

Gunn soliciting Bacca, against me???
*clutches pearls*

Interesting indeed.

Maybe you shouldn't have cut me off, we could've had some fun.

My slow fat fingers won't be any help next AW, plus my tablet refreshes slowly, so you'll probably get me. Tis an honor tho.

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| May 4, 2018, 5:31 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
BTW, I barterd for likes. Where are me likes? :P

I liked everything at that time, new builds since then, get nothing.
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| May 4, 2018, 5:32 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
I got to hand it to you, you and Andrei were genius in your strategy of backstabbing.

Thank you so much! Very fair-play!
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| May 4, 2018, 5:43 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
So, I assume Tom is your puppet CM, so will you have him pass things that leave it just as skill for building? Or shall Tom be a cruel dictator?

You're worried about me? After you just got caught conspiring against your HIDDEN friends? You got bigger problems right now, my friend...
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| May 4, 2018, 5:46 pm
H.I.D.D.E.N time to rename O.P.P.E.N ))
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| May 4, 2018, 5:47 pm
Quoting Pico van Grootveld

Ha, you know I'm not fast enough to beat you to an attack anyway. So we'll just have to see what happens when I always perform my action after you!
By the way we had delicious indian buffet food :)
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| May 4, 2018, 5:54 pm
Quoting Tom Remy
Thank you so much! Very fair-play!

Yep, that attack with both yourself and Andrei was some brilliantly planned stuff! I thank you, for it's just the sort of thing that lends itself to poetry.

Stay tuned fellow viewers!
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| May 4, 2018, 5:56 pm
Quoting Werewolff Studios
Yep, that attack with both yourself and Andrei was some brilliantly planned stuff! I thank you, for it's just the sort of thing that lends itself to poetry.

Stay tuned fellow viewers!

LOL, when I saw that happen I was literally thinking to myself "Man, Werewolff is gonna make some sick rhymes about this day."
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| May 4, 2018, 5:58 pm
Quoting Werewolff Studios
Yep, that attack with both yourself and Andrei was some brilliantly planned stuff! I thank you, for it's just the sort of thing that lends itself to poetry.

Stay tuned fellow viewers!

We only did it for the poem! XD

But joke aside, I'm looking forward to reading it!
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| May 4, 2018, 6:00 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
You're worried about me? After you just got caught conspiring against your HIDDEN friends? You got bigger problems right now, my friend...

I can get away with it. (How I wonít say) But back to my original question. Is Tom your Puppet? And if so, will you stay true to how you said you would be as CM?
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| May 4, 2018, 6:03 pm
Quoting Tom Remy
Thank you so much! Very fair-play!

You ignored the rest of the comment. Lol
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| May 4, 2018, 6:05 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
"Man, Werewolff is gonna make some sick rhymes about this day."


Quoting Tom Remy


It's a poetic field day fellas! I'll get on it, though it'll only be posted once Keith posts the results (to ensure that all attacks are valid and such).

But thank you for your confidence :D
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| May 4, 2018, 6:05 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
I can get away with it. (How I wonít say) But back to my original question. Is Tom your Puppet? And if so, will you stay true to how you said you would be as CM?

I stay true all the time, brother.

As for how Tom is going to be as CM, you'd have to ask him. I don't the guy personally but I hear he's real nice. And also French. So he probably has some tasty baguettes and wine on tap at the world court.
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| May 4, 2018, 6:08 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
I stay true all the time, brother.

As for how Tom is going to be as CM, you'd have to ask him. I don't the guy personally but I hear is real nice. And also French. So he probably has some tasty baguettes and wine on tap at the world court.

His being nice got him killed, you think he is going to repeat that mistake?

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| May 4, 2018, 6:09 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
His being nice got him killed, you think he is going to repeat that mistake?

Only time will tell and I don't have my time machine up and running yet. Waiting for a bolt of lightning to strike.
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| May 4, 2018, 6:11 pm
But yeah, the next attack window will be interesting. Iím excited to see how it goes down. But also worried, things could go horribly, horribly wrong
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| May 4, 2018, 6:11 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
Only time will tell and I don't have my time machine up and running yet. Waiting for a bolt of lightning to strike.

Nice reference
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| May 4, 2018, 6:14 pm
I find it cool how two Generals landed on the C30s. That way they can at least have fun fighting over their little island, aha! Although... I'm not sure of the validity of either of their attacks in fact.
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| May 4, 2018, 6:34 pm
Ach the island of D , it looked so well planned, now in dispair....such fine memories...
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| May 4, 2018, 7:07 pm
Quoting Michiel Norp
Ach the island of D , it looked so well planned, now in dispair....such fine memories...

I have some good memories of having you there. :) oh what fun we had, I attacked, you died, I laughed, you cried. Oh the joys of life.
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| May 4, 2018, 7:11 pm
Cry? Well no, I even build you a statue:)
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| May 4, 2018, 7:15 pm
Quoting W Navarre
I find it cool how two Generals landed on the C30s. That way they can at least have fun fighting over their little island, aha! Although... I'm not sure of the validity of either of their attacks in fact.

23 posts in 1 minute, 6 were replies from Mr. Goldman.
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| May 4, 2018, 7:20 pm
Pawn to D14 > Knight to D14. Patrick needs his coasties:)
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| May 4, 2018, 7:20 pm
Quoting Michiel Norp
Pawn to D14 > Knight to D14. Patrick needs his coasties:)

Har har i'll be fine.
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| May 4, 2018, 7:23 pm
Quoting Michiel Norp
Cry? Well no, I even build you a statue:)

Ah so the was about me, I couldn't really figure out the smask in that, unless the "throwing tomatoes" was it. (Also, I called it, after posting my comment I said that the first thing you would say would be "I didnt cry" lol)
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| May 4, 2018, 7:25 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
"Details, I wanna know details
What's your dad's name (details)
And your mom's? (details)
Any allergies? (details)
How was prom?
Interesting -- so interesting."

Thomas, retired CND NAVY.
Eileen, retired Nurse, PCW.
Yes, pollin, fresh cut grass and latex.
Not bad, from what remember, 24yrs ago.
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| May 4, 2018, 7:26 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
23 posts in 1 minute, 6 were replies from Mr. Goldman.

BTW, why did you have to go and mention our "alliance" in the main group?
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| May 4, 2018, 7:27 pm
First rather obvious, second obvious,but yes good call.
Quoting General Gunn ~
Ah so the was about me, I couldn't really figure out the smask in that, unless the "throwing tomatoes" was it. (Also, I called it, after posting my comment I said that the first thing you would say would be "I didnt cry" lol)


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| May 4, 2018, 7:31 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
BTW, why did you have to go and mention our "alliance" in the main group?

How long is a piece of rope?
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| May 4, 2018, 7:35 pm
Quoting Werewolff Studios

It's a poetic field day fellas!


You still taking National Poetry requests?
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| May 4, 2018, 7:45 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
How long is a piece of rope?

Huh? I can tell your trying to convey something but I am not familiar with that saying
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| May 4, 2018, 8:23 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
Huh? I can tell your trying to convey something but I am not familiar with that saying

I can't dumb it down for you any more than that, mocpages won't let me curse at you.
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| May 4, 2018, 8:32 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
I can't dumb it down for you any more than that, mocpages won't let me curse at you.

Ah.



Wowza
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| May 4, 2018, 8:50 pm
Quoting matt rowntRee
So, what'd I miss? :D

Everything.
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| May 4, 2018, 8:50 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
BTW, why did you have to go and mention our "alliance" in the main group?

So the irony here is that you are mad at Bacca for betraying an alliance you made with him right after you betrayed him by not doing what you agreed to in the first place? So you're upset with him for being mutinous, but you were being mutinous in the first place by trying to overthrow one of your own allies. I'm literally scratching my head trying to figure out the logic here.
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| May 4, 2018, 11:24 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
So the irony here is that you are mad at Bacca for betraying an alliance you made with him right after you betrayed him by not doing what you agreed to in the first place? So you're upset with him for being mutinous, but you were being mutinous in the first place by trying to overthrow one of your own allies. I'm literally scratching my head trying to figure out the logic here.

Not mad, just curious. :D I am happy I was able to backstab at least once
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| May 4, 2018, 11:33 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
Not mad, just curious. :D I am happy I was able to backstab at least once

And how is it that you expect to keep steady alliances with people if you never keep your word? Just curious. As they say, what comes around goes around. Best of luck to you in the coming battles.
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| May 4, 2018, 11:39 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
And how is it that you expect to keep steady alliances with people if you never keep your word? Just curious. As they say, what comes around goes around. Best of luck to you in the coming battles.

Ill manage. :)
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| May 4, 2018, 11:41 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
Ill manage. :)

Pinky promise?
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| May 4, 2018, 11:44 pm
Quoting W Navarre
Pinky promise?

There are no promises in this game. Or any that you can keep at least
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| May 4, 2018, 11:47 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
There are no promises in this game. Or any that you can keep at least

I'll be interested to see how that philosophy works out for you.
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| May 4, 2018, 11:51 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
Gunn becomes a target...irony.

Do you mean a terget of Patricks?
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| May 5, 2018, 12:11 am
And the desultory firing continues on C! Any more big shots by any chance?
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| May 5, 2018, 12:21 am
That is one crowded island.
Edit: Well, not quite as crowded as I thought. Still kinda funny though.
Edit of Edit: Actually not that crowded at all. Huh.
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| May 5, 2018, 12:22 am
Quoting Kingdomview Bricks
That is one crowded island.

The island is soon to explode...
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| May 5, 2018, 12:26 am
Styx or Rush, and why?
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| May 5, 2018, 1:34 am
Quoting General Gunn ~
BTW, why did you have to go and mention our "alliance" in the main group?

Because our fluffy spies p...ssed Lord Bakka's sneakers, and planted evidence against you ...
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| May 5, 2018, 1:43 am
Quoting General Gunn ~
Ill manage. :)

Best of luck to you in your future endeavors.
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| May 5, 2018, 1:45 am
Quoting Zach Sweigart
And how is it that you expect to keep steady alliances with people if you never keep your word? Just curious. As they say, what comes around goes around. Best of luck to you in the coming battles.

The game will be over in a couple of months. But the reputation of some individuals will remain with them for a long time... they just don't understand it.
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| May 5, 2018, 1:47 am
Quoting Sam Sanister
Styx or Rush, and why?

Sanister: asking the hard-hitting questions.

Iíll go with Styx because Renegade and Come Sail Away are two of my favorite songs of all time. But Rush is up there too.
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| May 5, 2018, 1:47 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
The game will be over in a couple of months. But the reputation of some individuals will remain with them for a long time... they just don't understand it.

Some people just donít understand sarcasm either...
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| May 5, 2018, 1:48 am
Quoting Daniel H.
Some people just donít understand sarcasm either...

If sarcasm is expressed not in words but in concrete actions, it is no longer sarcasm ))
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| May 5, 2018, 1:56 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
The game will be over in a couple of months. But the reputation of some individuals will remain with them for a long time... they just don't understand it.

I usually talk big when playing games, but when it comes to actually playing, I am a c0ward lol. I mostly hit and run, but sometimes am lucky enough to get a nice backstab.(Bacca) I will usually backstab more in games that start with completly level playing field.(so not this lol) So, think of me what you like, but ill always be a backstabbing sarcastic lego lover :P


I really should just start doing *S* at the bottom of my comments if i am being sarcastic, people really get some wack ideas about me due to not caching Sarcasm xD
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| May 5, 2018, 1:56 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
If sarcasm is expressed not in words but in concrete actions, it is no longer sarcasm ))

May I ask, what action are you referring to?
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| May 5, 2018, 1:57 am
Quoting General Gunn ~
May I ask, what action are you referring to?

No )
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| May 5, 2018, 1:58 am
But let us all agree, that any reputation gained here in DA, shouldn't and shall not be carried over to our overall opinion of the builder as a builder and a person. If opions from games start interfering with our opinions as a whole, things get very messed up.
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| May 5, 2018, 1:59 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
No )

Welp. That was helpful. xD
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| May 5, 2018, 2:00 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
The game will be over in a couple of months. But the reputation of some individuals will remain with them for a long time... they just don't understand it.

Couldnít have said it better myself.
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| May 5, 2018, 2:05 am
Quoting General Gunn ~
But let us all agree, that any reputation gained here in DA, shouldn't and shall not be carried over to our overall opinion of the builder as a builder and a person. If opions from games start interfering with our opinions as a whole, things get very messed up.

Am I the only one that thinks this?
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| May 5, 2018, 2:23 am
For those of you who have doubts, I know Gunn in person (Heís my brother.) and I can confirm that he is infact a very nice guy, no matter how he may come across.

This is a game, after all. Some people like to have a little fun with it. ;)
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| May 5, 2018, 2:24 am
Quoting Daniel H.
For those of you who have doubts, I know Gunn in person (Heís my brother.) and I can confirm that he is infact a very nice guy, no matter how he may come across.

This is a game, after all. Some people like to have a little fun with it. ;)

(NOTE: I may or may not have a different idea of "fun" then most people do :p)
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| May 5, 2018, 2:26 am
Quoting General Gunn ~
Am I the only one that thinks this?

No, I completely agree.

Your opinion of someone shouldnít be based on actions in a game. For example, I donít hate Tom Remy just because he betrayed me in a game.
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| May 5, 2018, 2:27 am
Quoting General Gunn ~
Am I the only one that thinks this?

Don't take things personally )) And it is not in the comments ))
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| May 5, 2018, 3:01 am


Not until tonight. Try to keep the cats from devouring each other.
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| May 5, 2018, 6:29 am
Quoting P. Andrei
Matt, Catland has the magic trees.

Not touch! It's ours! Export is limited!

There's still a lot of funny pictures ))
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| May 5, 2018, 8:05 am
What did Oliver just attack? Lol!
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| May 5, 2018, 3:15 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

It lost something in translation. I think it was Daniel's pride.

Ah. Yeah probably did lose a lot in the transition lol
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| May 5, 2018, 3:38 pm
Not a single DA3 moc on the homepage.... Our fire truck lover is back.
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| May 5, 2018, 4:51 pm
MOCpages really drives me crazy sometimes. Since my brother and I live in the same household, we share the same IP. So if one of us accidentally logs out of our account, the other canít log in for hours. This happened to both of us last attack window, delaying the posting of my creation, and Gunnís attack.

I swear, if I miss an attack window because of this...
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| May 5, 2018, 4:53 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
MOCpages really drives me crazy sometimes. Since my brother and I live in the same household, we share the same IP. So if one of us accidentally logs out of our account, the other canít log in for hours. This happened to both of us last attack window, delaying the posting of my creation, and Gunnís attack.

I swear, if I miss an attack window because of this...

Use proxy
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| May 5, 2018, 5:11 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
Use proxy

Proxy? Sorry, Iím afraid Iím not familiar with that.
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| May 5, 2018, 5:17 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Proxy? Sorry, Iím afraid Iím not familiar with that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server
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| May 5, 2018, 5:24 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Proxy? Sorry, Iím afraid Iím not familiar with that.

Proxy is like sending a messenger to communicate what you want to say. I don't know how you would do that in this case, as I doubt that Goldman would let you both attack in the AW with the same account (although maybe, if you have to).
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| May 5, 2018, 5:32 pm

Ah, I wasn't thinking technical enough :P .
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| May 5, 2018, 5:34 pm
Ah, I See.
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| May 5, 2018, 6:45 pm
Alas... Oliver has fallen. I had to do it, but it is sad to see such a great builder fall... It was an honor playing with you, Oliver Becker.
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| May 5, 2018, 6:46 pm
Speaking of fallen builders, there are a couple who appear to have given up, even before their elimination. Joey 4026 and Craniac haven't had any new ORBAT entries in over a week, and Aliencat appears to be absent as well.

We also have a couple people who are starting on island traps. Just wanting to play and build, even if they know their position won't bring them victory...

We also have a few first timers knocking around veterans; Sweigart and Doug Hughes.
Pico and Topsy better get building if they want to successfully tag-team Doug while remaining safe from counterattack.

On Tom attacking Daniel H, I saw that Tom's attack would fail by about 100 to 120, even before the results were published. One interesting note is Andrei's attack would have failed if not for the tag team. While the RRT really helped Daniel, he still has over 200 defensive MILPO without it.


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| May 5, 2018, 7:24 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle
Aww. The map looks like me and Gunn are holding hands!

And youíve got Bacca in a bear hug. :)
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| May 5, 2018, 7:44 pm
Aww, poor General RoonTree, I hope you're happy over on F1 WHICH YOU STOLE FROM ME!

Bwahahahaaha! xD
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| May 5, 2018, 7:51 pm
But in all seriousness, bro, what happened? Your army just ran this turn! I literally was counting on a heavy unliking, gave myself a 30 like leeway, and yet your buddies in the HIDDEN didn't seem to even try; I don't think I got a single unlike this whole time, and you lost it by a ten point!


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| May 5, 2018, 7:54 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle
In all seriousness, I don't think anyone wants to see mass unliking become part of conventional warfare.

Ikr, but I wanted to let nothing slip through my fingers. Last AW a few unlikes cost our alliance a world, so I was afraid of that happening to me again.. which is fine, kept me on my toes ;) .
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| May 5, 2018, 8:03 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Alas... Oliver has fallen. I had to do it, but it is sad to see such a great builder fall... It was an honor playing with you, Oliver Becker.

Don't talk to loud, whippersnapper! I know what i've done and Tom knows... If I liked to, he woudn'd been there as he is... ;) But I didn'd! My fault was too less time beeing around here, but that's ok. KNOW: I'm not dead, only F.O.X.! It's a game! I've joined here because of MOCpages, so many nice people I knew from the last game joined, and I did so... That's because I still think it was necessary to give a vital impulse to the pages! So it will be, I hope! I love all contestants with their MOCs competing here 'cause I know THIS is a matter of importance! I'm NOT sad, Oliver is still there! Only F.O.X. is history... Thanks to Keith, Michael, Vac and Nick, it's not easy to do THIS contest going on. I know! ;)
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| May 5, 2018, 8:06 pm
On another note, RIP General Ninja, that was a heroic death! Way to give KVB a chance!
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| May 5, 2018, 8:06 pm
Good luck to everyone here, hope the pages will pay at last with a better support...! ;)
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| May 5, 2018, 8:09 pm
Quoting Oliver Becker
Good luck to everyone here, hope the pages will pay at last with a better support...! ;)

Oliver, it was a real honor playing with you. You are an incredibly creative builder and you've been a very good sport about being eliminated. Best of luck to you, sir, in your future endeavors.
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| May 5, 2018, 8:17 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
And youíve got Bacca in a bear hug. :)

I'd call it snuggling.
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| May 5, 2018, 9:29 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
I'd call it snuggling.

Díaw, thatís adorable. :)
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| May 5, 2018, 10:42 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
I'd call it snuggling.

I'd called your eminent demise
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| May 5, 2018, 11:37 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
I'd called your eminent demise

Thank you captain obvious
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| May 5, 2018, 11:47 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
Thank you captain obvious

Thats General to you.
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| May 5, 2018, 11:48 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
General Obvious...generally fits: new nick name!

Or, if i get locked out of my account again, I will be a "Jammed Gunn"
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| May 6, 2018, 12:34 am
Quoting Keith Goldman
Aren't you locked out because you and your brother use the same computer to access MOCpages? What is the big mystery?

We use different devices but it stills bugs out if one of us logs out. Its really screwy the way it works. It says your locked out for an hour but its more like 2-3hrs
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| May 6, 2018, 12:38 am
Quoting Oliver Becker
Good luck to everyone here, hope the pages will pay at last with a better support...! ;)

T'was an absolute honour to compete with you mate. Your builds just bring a certain joy to this war torn world! Not to mention the uncanny level of skill that goes into them!
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| May 6, 2018, 12:55 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Oliver Becker
Good luck to everyone here, hope the pages will pay at last with a better support...! ;)

Thanks Oliver, you've built and played with great distinction.
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| May 6, 2018, 3:08 am
Is anyone aware if Lego digital design software (for the logistics cat) that is available on mobile devises? (iPads or iPhones?) or of a type that can be used online?
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| May 6, 2018, 8:30 am
Quoting Keith Goldman
I'm pretty sure there is a malcontent either in the group or in the general population of MOCpages who is intentionally giving 1's to all DA MOCs.


Yup, pretty much, all of my latest DA entries start with ratings of 1. The only one that didn't get it and made it to the main page is Ariel, and my guess is it's because it isn't in this group.
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| May 6, 2018, 8:55 am
Quoting P. Andrei

Yup, pretty much, all of my latest DA entries start with ratings of 1. The only one that didn't get it and made it to the main page is Ariel, and my guess is it's because it isn't in this group.

Yes, the system of ratings is excessive, therefore unreliable and allows for the possibility of abuse. Must leave only 2 of the evaluation: "like" and "report b@d MOC". The second needs to pass moderation, so it's not used as a weapon.
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| May 6, 2018, 9:06 am
 Group admin 
This site comes alive for the first time in YEARS and the people who would rather it stay dead get uppity!

Go figure.

I hope they really hate that yellow truck on the homepage

Heeheehee...
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| May 6, 2018, 10:35 am
Quoting James Douglas
Is anyone aware if Lego digital design software (for the logistics cat) that is available on mobile devises? (iPads or iPhones?) or of a type that can be used online?

Iíve not looked into it much, but Mecabricks is a website that lets you build, but Iím not sure if itís mobile friendly.
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| May 6, 2018, 10:47 am
 Group admin 
Quoting James Douglas
Is anyone aware if Lego digital design software (for the logistics cat) that is available on mobile devises? (iPads or iPhones?) or of a type that can be used online?

I have looked into it, but I didn't publish my discoveries because it was so underwhelming. Daniel is correct that Mecabricks works on mobile because it is entirely website-hosted and driven, but the user interface is difficult to work with, to say the least. Still, if you're patient, that is your best bet for access to a complete collection of pieces.
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| May 6, 2018, 11:30 am
Okay, thanks to you both.
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| May 6, 2018, 11:34 am
Quoting James Douglas
Okay, thanks to you both.

No problem, and good luck my friend.
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| May 6, 2018, 11:36 am
Quoting matt rowntRee
I blame rooonTree.

Why does everyone miss spell your name? xD
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| May 6, 2018, 11:55 am
Quoting matt rowntRee
I haven't noticed.

But who says I'm spelling it right?

Dun dun dun!

Lol!

A lot of people, particularly Goldman, call you roonTree.
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| May 6, 2018, 12:05 pm
Quoting matt rowntRee
Maybe I'm not who I think I am.

We're all players in Keith's warped reality anyways, didn't you know that?


BTW I made that Haiku for Wolff's approval.

Hahaha! Indeed.
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| May 6, 2018, 12:15 pm
Quoting Oliver Becker
Good luck to everyone here, hope the pages will pay at last with a better support...! ;)

Awwww crud, very sorry to see you were knocked out Oliver :(
Too bad we couldn't help out. But it was awesome to have you play the game and you built some really fantastic stuff! See you around!
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| May 6, 2018, 12:31 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
This site comes alive for the first time in YEARS and the people who would rather it stay dead get uppity!

Go figure.

I hope they really hate that yellow truck on the homepage

Heeheehee...

Why dont we all make placeholders and burn their eyes? That way they cant find the rating button.
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| May 6, 2018, 1:05 pm
Quoting matt rowntRee
Maybe I'm not who I think I am.

We're all players in Keith's warped reality anyways, didn't you know that?


BTW I made that Haiku for Wolff's approval.

He said Keith! Slap em! Slap em!
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| May 6, 2018, 1:07 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting General Gunn ~
Why dont we all make placeholders and burn their eyes? That way they cant find the rating button.

Hahaha! Thanks for the laugh General :-)
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| May 6, 2018, 1:15 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
Why dont we all make placeholders and burn their eyes? That way they cant find the rating button.

I don't know how to make placeholders.
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| May 6, 2018, 1:27 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
I don't know how to make placeholders.

Simple. Stick two parts together and BAM. Eyes begin to fizzle
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| May 6, 2018, 1:34 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
Hahaha! Thanks for the laugh General :-)

Thats what Im here for ;) By the way, is the title of "Jester" open?
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| May 6, 2018, 1:35 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
I don't know how to make placeholders.

Look in my folder.
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| May 6, 2018, 1:54 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Why does everyone miss spell your name? xD

Goes back to DA1 if I recall correctly
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| May 6, 2018, 1:55 pm
Quoting matt rowntRee
I haven't noticed.

Who says I'm spelling it right?

Dun dun dun dun dun!

Sounds like a mystery gang! To the mystery machine!
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| May 6, 2018, 1:57 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca
Goes back to DA1 if I recall correctly

Ah.
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| May 6, 2018, 1:58 pm
Quoting Northern Imperial AKA-Lord Bacca

Ey, would you mind checking out my latest DA3 stuff? :D
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| May 6, 2018, 1:58 pm
Quoting matt rowntRee
I haven't noticed.

Who says I'm spelling it right?

Dun dun dun dun dun!

Approved RianTroee. Approved :D
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| May 7, 2018, 6:58 am
Quoting VAkkron ô
How did this conversation get started in this thread? Move it to the general conversation, please. Especially if you want your comments to still exist by the next AW, because I think we clean this thread out.

I blame RoonTree!

Actually it was Patrick ;) .
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| May 7, 2018, 10:28 am
Quoting Patrick Boyle

Swing, and a miss. G-Conv is over here, bud!

Sorry Vakk, rules question kinda segued into demi-trash talk.

But I get three strikes ;) . Third times the charm!
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| May 7, 2018, 10:34 am
 Group admin 
Quoting W Navarre
But I get three strikes ;) . Third times the charm!

Do you though? :P
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| May 7, 2018, 12:06 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Patrick Boyle
segue

That's a good word. I'll have to use it at some point.
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| May 7, 2018, 12:07 pm
Quoting VAkkron ô
That's a good word. I'll have to use it at some point.

Matt Rowntree (http://moc-pages.com/moc.php/446948) already used it.

Wait, wrong Segway :P .
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| May 7, 2018, 12:18 pm
OK, so I need to vent a little:

Apparently, some sph*ncter has been black-balling all of my recent builds off the front page. It's happened on all of my builds for the most recently announced categories (CATs 5, 8, 11, 14), almost immediately after I post them. It may go back earlier than that, but I have just started noticing it recently.

I have, somewhat grudgingly, engaged in spam-liking my own builds to restore them to the front page, so that they can get the exposure they should be entitled to. [Note: the spam-liking is necessarily done anonymously, and therefore generates no MILPO/DIPLO for the MOCs]. But that is a pain, and I often have to do it several times, since the sph*ncter keeps returning to re-black-ball me.

If this pattern continues, the only option I'll have to level the playing field is to black ball every DA3 MOC that appears on the front page. Drastic, yes. But unfortunately the only real recourse given the mechanics of MOCpages.
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| May 8, 2018, 7:25 am
Quoting Mark B.
OK, so I need to vent a little:

Apparently, some sph*ncter has been black-balling all of my recent builds off the front page. It's happened on all of my builds for the most recently announced categories (CATs 5, 8, 11, 14), almost immediately after I post them. It may go back earlier than that, but I have just started noticing it recently.

I have, somewhat grudgingly, engaged in spam-liking my own builds to restore them to the front page, so that they can get the exposure they should be entitled to. [Note: the spam-liking is necessarily done anonymously, and therefore generates no MILPO/DIPLO for the MOCs]. But that is a pain, and I often have to do it several times, since the sph*ncter keeps returning to re-black-ball me.

If this pattern continues, the only option I'll have to level the playing field is to black ball every DA3 MOC that appears on the front page. Drastic, yes. But unfortunately the only real recourse given the mechanics of MOCpages.

Confirm, my work, too, someone knocks. And not just mine and Mark. Hope it's not you, Mark? ))
By the way, spam indirectly affects the MILPO/DIPLO, as it increases popularity and allows you to get into the lists of the most popular works of the week, and then in the list "Across MOCpages". Not giving to get there other works whose creators are not as actively promoted...
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| May 8, 2018, 7:43 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
Confirm, my work, too, someone knocks. And not just mine and Mark. Hope it's not you, Mark? ))
By the way, spam indirectly affects the MILPO/DIPLO, as it increases popularity and allows you to get into the lists of the most popular works of the week, and then in the list "Across MOCpages". Not giving to get there other works whose creators are not as actively promoted...

Its definitely not me. Not only have I not black balled anyone, but I've liked MOCs of likely adversaries. If I feel a MOC merits a like, I'll do it, even if it puts me at a disadvantage in DA3.
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| May 8, 2018, 8:04 am
Quoting Mark B.
Its definitely not me. Not only have I not black balled anyone, but I've liked MOCs of likely adversaries. If I feel a ZMOC merits a like, I'll do it, even if it puts me at a disadvantage in DA3.

Alas, given the development of means of anonymization on the Internet, the only way to protect - changing the rating system on the site. Negative assessments should be moderated!

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| May 8, 2018, 8:11 am
Quoting Mark B.
Apparently, some sph*ncter has been black-balling all of my recent builds off the front page. It's happened on all of my builds for the most recently announced categories (CATs 5, 8, 11, 14), almost immediately after I post them.
I was tempted to suggest you file that game-play behaviour under "effective military strategy", but looking around if it has been happening it doesn't appear to have done you much harm. You have 3 of the top 6 current "popular this week" creations on the Explore page, and although I can't remember precisely how long each was on the home page I do remember that your circuit board was pretty much there for about 2 straight days (which I remember because it was right next to my museum).

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| May 8, 2018, 8:16 am
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Quoting Mark B.
OK, so I need to vent a little:

Apparently, some sph*ncter has been black-balling all of my recent builds off the front page. It's happened on all of my builds for the most recently announced categories (CATs 5, 8, 11, 14), almost immediately after I post them. It may go back earlier than that, but I have just started noticing it recently.

I have, somewhat grudgingly, engaged in spam-liking my own builds to restore them to the front page, so that they can get the exposure they should be entitled to. [Note: the spam-liking is necessarily done anonymously, and therefore generates no MILPO/DIPLO for the MOCs]. But that is a pain, and I often have to do it several times, since the sph*ncter keeps returning to re-black-ball me.

If this pattern continues, the only option I'll have to level the playing field is to black ball every DA3 MOC that appears on the front page. Drastic, yes. But unfortunately the only real recourse given the mechanics of MOCpages.

The consensus seems to be that it's more likely the said sph!incter is not a DA3 player but someone or a group who resents DA3's impact on Mocpages. It's affecting all players and we'll just have to get on with it.
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| May 8, 2018, 8:26 am
Agreed. I noticed some of mine had the same problem too (the capitol I'm sure of), and I'm sure almost everyone has a similar story... I'm also convinced it is not coming from someone in DA3.
Therefore, I'm sorry to admit that even the Chief Magistrate can't protect you from this pest...
:-)
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| May 8, 2018, 8:34 am
Quoting Digital Dreams
Quoting Mark B.
Apparently, some sph*ncter has been black-balling all of my recent builds off the front page. It's happened on all of my builds for the most recently announced categories (CATs 5, 8, 11, 14), almost immediately after I post them.
I was tempted to suggest you file that game-play behaviour under "effective military strategy", but looking around if it has been happening it doesn't appear to have done you much harm. You have 3 of the top 6 current "popular this week" creations on the Explore page, and although I can't remember precisely how long each was on the home page I do remember that your circuit board was pretty much there for about 2 straight days (which I remember because it was right next to my museum).

Actually, it has done me harm. Here's why: Yes, some of my MOCs currently have a decent number of likes, and are on the leader board for the week, but that is only because I have taken "corrective action". Most of the likes for those MOCs are phantom likes that won't be counted for game purposes (only likes coming from registered users, i.e. the ones on the "See who" page, are counted).

In my experience, there are only two things that generate interest in a MOC from casual passers-by: (1) Being featured in the "Everyone's lego creations" section of the front page, or (2) being the MOC of the day. Being on the weekly leader board, while nice, generally doesn't generate much traffic, at least not among folks who will actually take the time to stop by and like or comment on a MOC. That means that the relatively short window during which a MOC appears in the "Everyone's lego creations" section is its only real way of getting meaningful exposure. Sabotaging that can have a huge effect on the number of yellow heads. From what I have seen, it can be something like a factor of 3 or 4 difference between getting some front page exposure and getting black-balled.

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| May 8, 2018, 9:12 am
Quoting Tom Remy
Agreed. I noticed some of mine had the same problem too (the capitol I'm sure of), and I'm sure almost everyone has a similar story... I'm also convinced it is not coming from someone in DA3.
Therefore, I'm sorry to admit that even the Chief Magistrate can't protect you from this pest...
:-)

Yes. I've noticed that others have been affected, too. I have no intention to "go nuclear" on this, and start indiscriminate black-balling. I just really needed to vent my frustration.

In the meantime, I'll offer a little advice to those who feel that they have been the victims of black-balling: MOCpages tracks anonymous activity via the IP address it originates from, so that an anonymous user can't just continually like/dislike something. If you can find a way to repeatedly come in from a different IP address (and there are several ways to do that, especially if you have a mobile device with a data plan), you can repeatedly add anonymous likes. It appears to take 8-10 likes to undo a down-vote.

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| May 8, 2018, 9:23 am
Quoting Mark B.
Actually, it has done me harm. ...

You give absolutely correct arguments. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. A lot of DA3 players faced a similar problem.
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| May 8, 2018, 9:38 am
Quoting Mark B.
Yes. I've noticed that others have been affected, too. I have no intention to "go nuclear" on this, and start indiscriminate black-balling. I just really needed to vent my frustration.

In the meantime, I'll offer a little advice to those who feel that they have been the victims of black-balling: MOCpages tracks anonymous activity via the IP address it originates from, so that an anonymous user can't just continually like/dislike something. If you can find a way to repeatedly come in from a different IP address (and there are several ways to do that, especially if you have a mobile device with a data plan), you can repeatedly add anonymous likes. It appears to take 8-10 likes to undo a down-vote.

Let's all spam ?? It is not right!
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| May 8, 2018, 9:40 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
Let's all spam ?? It is not right!

No, it's not right, but perhaps a necessary evil in the face of a poorly designed website with a few malicious users trying to wreak havoc.
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| May 8, 2018, 9:46 am
Quoting Seaman SPb
You give absolutely correct arguments. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. A lot of DA3 players faced a similar problem.
Not just DA3 entries. People have been complaining about like-glitching for years now, which causes a 5 to revert to a 1 (and removal from the home page) beyond the control of the person who gave it a 5 to start with. Doesn't seem to affect all MOCs though...

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| May 8, 2018, 9:46 am
Quoting Digital Dreams
Quoting Seaman SPb
You give absolutely correct arguments. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. A lot of DA3 players faced a similar problem.
Not just DA3 entries. People have been complaining about like-glitching for years now, which causes a 5 to revert to a 1 (and removal from the home page) beyond the control of the person who gave it a 5 to start with. Doesn't seem to affect all MOCs though...

I do not agree. You are right, there is an old problem. And I believe that the rating system should be changed in the direction of simplification. However, the current situation clearly stands out from the statistics. I agree with Mark that there is an evil intent.
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| May 8, 2018, 9:50 am
Quoting Digital Dreams
Quoting Seaman SPb
You give absolutely correct arguments. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. But you do not take into account that in this situation you were not alone. A lot of DA3 players faced a similar problem.
Not just DA3 entries. People have been complaining about like-glitching for years now, which causes a 5 to revert to a 1 (and removal from the home page) beyond the control of the person who gave it a 5 to start with. Doesn't seem to affect all MOCs though...

The website problems here are almost reason enough not to attempt to run future iterations of DA on MOCpages. Consider what we have seen so far: Crashes during an attack window (on more than one occasion), like glitching causing 5s to revert to 1s or disappear altogether, users being able to remove others' MOCs from the DA3 group pool, tr*lls being able to black-ball MOCs from getting virtually any front page exposure, and comments/likes getting lost in moderation (wasn't that a movie starring Bill Murray?).

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| May 8, 2018, 9:55 am
Quoting Mark B.
The website problems here are almost reason enough not to attempt to run future iterations of DA on MOCpages. Consider what we have seen so far: Crashes during an attack window (on more than one occasion), like glitching causing 5s to revert to 1s or disappear altogether, users being able to remove others' MOCs from the DA3 group pool, tr*lls being able to black-ball MOCs from getting virtually any front page exposure, comments/likes getting lost in the moderation (wasn't that a movie starring Bill Murray?).

I reckon the crashes may have been due to high levels of activity. The last hardware "upgrade" (I believe the one which caused the change from mocpages to moc-pages) also appears to have caused a change of hosting provider (the server IPs track to a different company). I suspect the "upgrade" was more of a "downgrade" to a cheaper host to reflect the dwindling user base.

Are you sure about users being able to remove other users MOCs from the group pool? There is a widely-known bug that will place the "Remove" link under MOCs which are not yours, but if you hover and examine the link you'll see that it always removes your most recent MOC even if the link appears under someone else's MOC. Are you suggesting its actually possible to remove someone else's MOC?


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| May 8, 2018, 10:00 am
Quoting Digital Dreams
Quoting Mark B.
The website problems here are almost reason enough not to attempt to run future iterations of DA on MOCpages. Consider what we have seen so far: Crashes during an attack window (on more than one occasion), like glitching causing 5s to revert to 1s or disappear altogether, users being able to remove others' MOCs from the DA3 group pool, tr*lls being able to black-ball MOCs from getting virtually any front page exposure, and comments/likes getting lost in moderation (wasn't that a movie starring Bill Murray?).

Are you sure about users being able to remove other users MOCs from the group pool? There is a widely-known bug that will place the "Remove" link under MOCs which are not yours, but if you hover and examine the link you'll see that it always removes your most recent MOC even if the link appears under someone else's MOC. Are you suggesting its actually possible to remove someone else's MOC?


I never clicked on any of the spurious "remove" links because I didn't want to accidently remove someone else's MOC, so I can't say for sure. Perhaps you are right.
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| May 8, 2018, 10:03 am
Quoting Mark B.
comments/likes getting lost in moderation (wasn't that a movie starring Bill Murray?).
LOL. Interesting you mention that one. I left a comment on one of Daniel H's creations a few days ago and it still hasn't appeared. One of the words was probably on the soft-moderation list, but I'm beginning to wonder if it hasn't appeared because there are now no active admins on the site, or that they only turn up twice a month...

(don't worry Daniel, despite one slightly dubious word it was a nice comment, and I went back and gave you the like anyway when I saw it had vanished into the ether...)
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| May 8, 2018, 10:06 am
I think that it's like MOCpages is the terrain we fight on. Sometimes it favours the enemy, sometimes it favours you, often it costs the fighters on both side, and sometimes the "Civilians" get mad and kill your soldiers too ;) . Just have to work around it, strategize, and hope for the best! If you lose because of just ten likes and you could have got ten likes if you had only been on the homepage, that's a shame... but Napoleon lost because of things just as trivial... and he lost a lot more than just a game or a prize.
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| May 8, 2018, 10:15 am
Quoting W Navarre
I think that it's like MOCpages is the terrain we fight on. Sometimes it favours the enemy, sometimes it favours you, often it costs the fighters on both side, and sometimes the "Civilians" get mad and kill your soldiers too ;) . Just have to work around it, strategize, and hope for the best! If you lose because of just ten likes and you could have got ten likes if you had only been on the homepage, that's a shame... but Napoleon lost because of things just as trivial... and he lost a lot more than just a game or a prize.

The problem there is that there really isn't a good strategy for generating likes if you are going to be consistently black-balled almost as soon as you post anything. Sure, one can work on building alliances, but at some point, what you can do is going to be limited by your MILPO/DIPLO.

The only way to "strategize" when faced with that kind of situation would be downvote all of the other DA3 players' MOCs - completely legal within the DA3 rules framework, but very weasel-ly. Is that what you are advocating?

Napoleon didn't lose because of the vagaries of war; he lost because he failed to establish a logistical train that could sustain his army through the severe Russian winter, especially in the face of "scorched earth" tactics - a mistake repeated some 130 years later by another nation bent on world domination. Remember: Good generals talk tactics; great generals talk logistics.
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| May 8, 2018, 10:44 am
Quoting Mark B.
The only way to "strategize" when faced with that kind of situation would be downvote all of the other DA3 players' MOCs - completely legal within the DA3 rules framework, but very weasel-ly. Is that what you are advocating?

Napoleon didn't lose because of the vagaries of war; he lost because he failed to establish a logistical train that could sustain his army through the severe Russian winter, especially in the face of "scorched earth" tactics - a mistake repeated some 130 years later by another nation bent on world domination. Remember: Good generals talk tactics; great generals talk logistics.


No, not what I'm advocating, haha. I'm not sure if you think the person doing this is in the group, but most people seem to suspect some outsider, in which case you'd be better off unliking all MOCs that aren't part of the group ;) .

And the best Generals don't talk at all, they just fight. JK! (I know you need to talk to communicate to your troops and commanders anyways). I was speaking of Waterloo in particular however, not the invasion of Russia, although there is something in that too. At Waterloo many historians believe he did the best he could have done and would have won if only one of many small things had been different... one pit filled up, one General marched faster, one barn been defended less heartily. Anyways, just my two cents.

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| May 8, 2018, 11:21 am
Quoting W Navarre
No, not what I'm advocating, haha. I'm not sure if you think the person doing this is in the group, but most people seem to suspect some outsider, in which case you'd be better off unliking all MOCs that aren't part of the group ;) .

And the best Generals don't talk at all, they just fight. JK! (I know you need to talk to communicate to your troops and commanders anyways). I was speaking of Waterloo in particular however, not the invasion of Russia, although there is something in that too. At Waterloo many historians believe he did the best he could have done and would have won if only one of many small things had been different... one pit filled up, one General marched faster, one barn been defended less heartily. Anyways, just my two cents.

I don't know whether the culprit is a DA3 player or not. What is clear is that certain players have been targeted more than others, which could just be coincidence or could be an indication of an "inside job".

I know am rehashing old issues here, but this all really goes back to way MP works. Anonymous dislikes? How does anyone not see a potential problem with that, especially given the arcane and overly-tr*ll-empowering rules that are used to place MOCs on the front page? I don't want to drag this out anymore, though, so I'll just reserve my comments for the post mortem at this point.
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| May 8, 2018, 11:47 am
Quoting Keith Goldman
This is without a doubt the last time DA will be played on MOCpages. Between this issue and the frequent outages, there is no reason to stay here other than nostalgia. Rutherford and I debated for a long time before deciding to host this iteration here, but it was always with the intent that DA4 would be on Flickr.

Dangit. I cant get Flikr :(
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| May 8, 2018, 1:12 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
This is without a doubt the last time DA will be played on MOCpages. Between this issue and the frequent outages, there is no reason to stay here other than nostalgia. Rutherford and I debated for a long time before deciding to host this iteration here, but it was always with the intent that DA4 would be on Flickr.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if Sean decides to finally pull the plug on MOCpages before the next DA.

It could be reasonably suggested that MOCpages would make the perfect business school case study for how to run a successful business/website with enormous potential straight into the ground.

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| May 8, 2018, 1:23 pm
Somebody's posing as me.

http://www.moc-pages.com/home.php/130427

Just for the record, I do not really build star wars/clone on a plate builds like this name copier. LOL!

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| May 8, 2018, 1:37 pm
Sean just needs to get off his rear and hand the site over to someone else. I know for a fact there are many out there willing to put time and effort into fixing MOCpages.
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| May 8, 2018, 1:37 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
...

The last sound MOCpages users will hear is the rapidly fading siren of a fire-truck.

Hopefully, as it runs over a giraffe.

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| May 8, 2018, 1:37 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
I actually hope he does pull the plug. As much as I used to love this place, if he's not going to fix it he should let it go. He's exploited so much free labor and good will over the years while simultaneously ignoring any input and ignoring concerns that I don't have any sympathy left for the guy.
Oh I hear you. And as a developer I can tell you that some of the problems would have been utterly trivial to fix too.

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| May 8, 2018, 1:38 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Somebody's posing as me.

http://www.moc-pages.com/home.php/130427

Just for the record, I do not really build star wars/clone on a plate builds like this name copier. LOL!

Hahaha!

And I have a doppelgšnger... http://www.moc-pages.com/home.php/117095

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| May 8, 2018, 1:39 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Hahaha!

And I have a doppelgšnger... http://www.moc-pages.com/home.php/117095

How did that get through?!!?!?! Same exact name. LOL!
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| May 8, 2018, 1:46 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
How did that get through?!!?!?! Same exact name. LOL!

Haha! Iím betting he was around before me, actually...

I just assumed duplicate names were possible on MOCpages. Are they not normally?
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| May 8, 2018, 1:51 pm
Oh, nope, apperantly I was around first.
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| May 8, 2018, 1:52 pm
Quoting Mark B.
Hopefully, as it runs over a giraffe.
Don't see too many giraffes on here. Might have to start a campaign about that. Do see plenty fire trucks though. And bionicles. Perhaps the fire truck could run over a bionicle or six.
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| May 8, 2018, 1:52 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Oh, nope, apperantly I was around first.

Yeah, you are member #113761 and he's #117095


And my member # says I'm too old. LOL!
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| May 8, 2018, 1:53 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Yeah, you are member #113761 and he's #117095


And my member # says I'm too old. LOL!

Ah, howíd you check that?

Lol!
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| May 8, 2018, 2:19 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Ah, howíd you check that?

Lol!

It's in your homepage link: http://www.moc-pages.com/home.php/113761
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| May 8, 2018, 3:06 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
It's in your homepage link: http://www.moc-pages.com/home.php/113761

Ooooh.

Duh.
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| May 8, 2018, 3:07 pm
Well I feel old now as number 2733.
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| May 8, 2018, 3:08 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
but it was always with the intent that DA4 would be on Flickr.
Out of curiosity, is there a date for that? You are presumably aware that SmugMug recently bought Flickr from Verizon and despite their assurances that nothing will change and the free account will remain (for now) there does appear to be legitimate concern online that they don't have the infrastructure to take on the vastness of Flickr and that hotlinking or even the free account may be the earliest of victims.

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| May 8, 2018, 3:08 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
Well I feel old now as number 2733.

Old Phart! LOL!
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| May 8, 2018, 3:12 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Old Phart! LOL!

You dang kids! Get off my lawn!
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| May 8, 2018, 3:16 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle
Oh god. Photobucket's betrayal was hard enough on the forums.
Indeed, I was particularly hit by that. Same thing happened to the once mighty Imageshack (from the early 2000s). Off went the hotlinking, and down the tubes went the business. I hope SmugMug were paying attention to both of those former leaders.

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| May 8, 2018, 3:34 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
I totally agree! Nostalgia is the only reason I am still on this site. It is interesting that several people who were active at different points here on the pages are now either active on flicker or on different Facebook groups. Not a fan of fb but that could also be an option with thumbs up rather than smilies. Regardless, I am glad to hear that we will move elsewhere for DA4.


I'll take this d[_)mp over facebook anytime. Besides, the "I want a million friends and will like anything for it" crowd would make it id10tic.
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| May 8, 2018, 3:51 pm
Quoting Digital Dreams
Quoting Patrick Boyle
Oh god. Photobucket's betrayal was hard enough on the forums.
Indeed, I was particularly hit by that. Same thing happened to the once mighty Imageshack (from the early 2000s). Off went the hotlinking, and down the tubes went the business. I hope SmugMug were paying attention to both of those former leaders.


I'm not confident at all about the future of flickr, not a fan of the fellas behind it. But it may remain free, yet full of ads; that seems to be where they're taking their business. Or maybe you'll pay for extra storage.
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| May 8, 2018, 3:53 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle
Yeah. Building from scratch is a huge hurdle.
Totally. People like me have the skills to build a replacement for MOCpages, but between the initial capital needed for server fees (until the ad revenue starts pouring in), and the huge numbers that have flocked to flickr (oooh, I like that phrase) it's arguably harder than it was 10 or 15 years ago to start from scratch now and gain enough momentum before you go bust.

Quoting Patrick Boyle
I couldn't imagine a new player starting out on Flickr against people with hundreds or 1k+ followers already banked.
Yes. With one exception I've not been able to get a single image on Flickr to garner 15 likes. Admittedly that's partly because I'm a digital builder, but even here on the graveyard that is now MOCpages I'm still able to hit 20+ on a MOC ;-)

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| May 8, 2018, 4:50 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
We now take you back to our regularly scheduled war game...thank you for the interruption.

Well if nothing else if Keith does ditch MOCpages he'll have made a sphincter happy :D
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| May 8, 2018, 4:55 pm
Quoting Digital Dreams
Quoting Patrick Boyle
Yeah. Building from scratch is a huge hurdle.
Totally. People like me have the skills to build a replacement for MOCpages, but between the initial capital needed for server fees (until the ad revenue starts pouring in), and the huge numbers that have flocked to flickr (oooh, I like that phrase) it's arguably harder than it was 10 or 15 years ago to start from scratch now and gain enough momentum before you go bust.

Quoting Patrick Boyle
I couldn't imagine a new player starting out on Flickr against people with hundreds or 1k+ followers already banked.
Yes. With one exception I've not been able to get a single image on Flickr to garner 15 likes. Admittedly that's partly because I'm a digital builder, but even here on the graveyard that is now MOCpages I'm still able to hit 20+ on a MOC ;-)

I totally agree!
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| May 8, 2018, 4:57 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

I propose the DAS deal with it! :-D

Yeah. Building from scratch is a huge hurdle. I don't really have a good solution. I've liked the relative isolation we enjoy here though. You can see how having a following here helps people, but it's not huge. I couldn't imagine a new player starting out on Flickr against people with hundreds or 1k+ followers already banked.

The built-in fan base of some builders on Flickr would be problem, but not an insurmountable one. One potential solution would be to create a private group for DA. The group could be created with the rule that pictures submitted to the group cannot appear in other groups (I believe it is possible to have that rule automatically enforced on Flickr, since I've run into such restrictions when trying to post). Only group members would be able to see the submissions, which means only group members would be able to "fave" them. That would level the playing field quite a bit. But if there is a secondary goal of getting exposure among a larger audience, that solution wouldn't work too well.

Another, perhaps more workable, solution would be to assign points according to the place a MOC occupies in a sorted list of all MOCs in its category. For example, the best (i.e. most "faves") MOC in category might get 100 points, the next best 90 points, the next best 85 points, and so on. Then, if the best MOC had say, 5,000 faves and the next best MOC had only 87 faves, the leader would still enjoy only a 10 point advantage over the second place finisher. In the middle of the pack, a few extra faves might make a huge difference, since it could advance a MOC by a huge number of places among a tightly packed group.

Just some food for thought...
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| May 8, 2018, 5:06 pm
Quoting Mark B.

Very interesting. I asked myself the same questions about the faves on Flickr, but I see you already have several solutions, good thinking man! Must be the beer... :D
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| May 8, 2018, 6:05 pm
Or you could just throw tomatoes and see where that leads you.
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| May 8, 2018, 6:24 pm
Alright! Thanks to timezones, I've kinda missed the bulk of the MOCpages conversation. However, I'd still like to throw in my two cents, if you guys would hear me out.

I love MOCpages. This site (and DA2) introduced me to the wider world of both online LEGO building and online communities in general. It's through this site that I met like-minded people who understood my love for these small bits of plastic. Plus, the whole design of MOCpages lends itself a lot better to story building, which is my preferred style.

However, I too am starting to tire of the many issues that this site's built up over the years. Crashes and outages that are completely unpredictable, a like-system that glitches and can black-list great builders, plus an abundance of trolls and hackers that abuse the site's overall system. And that's not even mentioning Sean's lack of commitment to maintaining the overall site.

There's also, in my opinion, a bit of a design flaw when it comes to the comment and like systems. Commenting on a creation takes you through three different screens before it goes through, and editing your comment can take even longer.

So it's not perfect. I'll be here till the end, but it's not perfect. However, I will concur with what others have said that I feel Flickr also isn't a perfect website, at least not for DA or story-heavy builds. Plus with the fears surrounding the takeover, the entire website could end up in a place worse than it is.

I, for one, would welcome some sort of middle ground website. I have next to no skills when it comes to building such a place, but I would be more than happy to invest in a project such as that. Yes, the community would be smaller, but if enough builders from the online community joined up, I'm sure we could build it up over time.

Welp, that's my two cents spent. Cheers all!




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| May 8, 2018, 6:52 pm
I would be glad about a move to flickr, but I can see that it does have some disadvantages. But I like it, and hope for sure that SmugMug won't do anything to it...

Personally I have quite a following there, but still I don't have that many likes on my DA3 MOCs, so it might be more even then you think... the fact is, that since there are more people there the possibility of disparity in numbers of likes is much higher than here on MP (at least now-a-days). I like Mark B,'s solution with the 10 space between each MOC, at least that general idea could be useful...

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| May 8, 2018, 7:00 pm
Quoting Keith Goldman
No, it's way to early to even think about a start date. I am aware of the SmugMug buyout but I'm completely in the dark about what that actually means going forward. I suggested flickr because it's more stable than this place but I understand that can change and Flickr will no doubt come with it's own set of issues where DA is concerned. Facebook is completely out of the question as far as I'm concerned so in a vacuum of other options Flickr seems like the best choice. For now it can't be any worse than this place.
Yeah, I reckon FLickr's the best option at the moment, exempting a completely new website.

Welp, guess I'll have to ask work to unblock Flickr :D

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| May 8, 2018, 7:04 pm
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I keep reading SmugMug as SmugLUG. Maybe someone should start a SmugMugLUG. LOL.

Well thanks for the interesting read this evening y'all, there were worse ways I could have spent my time! I can call DA my true home in the Lego community, so I'll go down fighting tooth and nail with it. This game is just too big to be restrained by the issues of a single platform. I am utterly confident that it will survive, probably to resurface again and again and again, as long as there's a free internet and Lego bricks. And the concepts of ruthless aggression, backstabbing, and politics.
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| May 8, 2018, 11:11 pm
Quoting VAkkron ô
I keep reading SmugMug as SmugLUG. Maybe someone should start a SmugMugLUG. LOL.

Well thanks for the interesting read this evening y'all, there were worse ways I could have spent my time! I can call DA my true home in the Lego community, so I'll go down fighting tooth and nail with it. This game is just too big to be restrained by the issues of a single platform. I am utterly confident that it will survive, probably to resurface again and again and again, as long as there's a free internet and Lego bricks. And the concepts of ruthless aggression, backstabbing, and politics.
Well said VA.

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| May 8, 2018, 11:24 pm
Nah, flickr's following won't be a problem, on the contrary, it's going to fix some issues the game has for being here.

- Newcomers will attract attention from the game itself, assuming it's going to be popular, which I expect it to be. I've seen plenty unknown builders boosted overnight in TBB contests; I think the same happened in Ted's speeder contests, but Keith should know this better than me.
- Not much difference between someone with an established following here, just higher numbers. This will always be a problem on a game based on likes anyway.
- No more placeholders with decent rating boosted by a strong alliance; they will be just that, placeholders.
- No more complete control over tactical voting; this is massive fault here, when an entire alliance can take off likes, and those likes happen to be 25-50% of the said player's milpo. There, it will be just what it should, a tie breaker in case of a close fight.

If flickr takes a dive, I'm more worried about where we will post in general, not only where to hold DA4. The current popular place seems to be instagram (if we're talking numbers, it's killing flickr), but I'm not a fan. And I can't think of any other place that would offer at least what flickr has.
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| May 9, 2018, 2:10 am
Honestly, I don't see myself joining Flickr anytime soon. So I'm afraid this will be my first... and lest Decisive Action game. Let's make it a good one boys. :D
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| May 9, 2018, 12:09 pm
I'm trying how Flickr can partially replace MOCpages. Overview image in high resolution instead of a set of images of 500 (800) pixels.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/145007520@N05/42001358161
For comparison:
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/446857
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| May 9, 2018, 2:44 pm
Hey Zach, so what are your voting plans? Shall we help Catland after we were mean and famined him?
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| May 9, 2018, 3:39 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
Hey Zach, so what are your voting plans? Shall we help Catland after we were mean and famined him?

I will be able conduct 2 attacks? B1 versus B2, and B2 versus B1? )))))
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| May 9, 2018, 3:44 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
I will be able conduct 2 attacks? B1 versus B2, and B2 versus B1? )))))

Vote
4
Catland
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| May 9, 2018, 3:46 pm
How about giving me some love, y'all? I wanna claim F9. LOL!

Vote GSR! Free virtual rice bowls for everybody! XD
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| May 9, 2018, 4:20 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
How about giving me some love, y'all? I wanna claim F9. LOL!

Vote GSR! Free virtual rice bowls for everybody! XD

Yay! I love rice!!

But wait, does it include soy sauce?

If not, Iím definitely not voting for you.
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| May 9, 2018, 4:22 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Yay! I love rice!!

But wait, does it include soy sauce?

If not, Iím definitely not voting for you.

Soy sauce, sweet and sour sauce, fish sauce... what do you want?
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| May 9, 2018, 4:24 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Soy sauce, sweet and sours sauce, fish sauce... what do you want?

To win. Uhduh.


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| May 9, 2018, 4:25 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Soy sauce, sweet and sours sauce, fish sauce... what do you want?

Hmm... can I try a little of each?
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| May 9, 2018, 4:26 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Hmm... can I try a little of each?

You get 3 rice bowls and 3 sauces!
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| May 9, 2018, 4:27 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
You get 3 rice bowls and 3 sauces!

Ooo, yum!

How much for some sweet and sour chicken?
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| May 9, 2018, 4:29 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Ooo, yum!

How much for some sweet and sour chicken?

Free, but I gotta go chase the chicken in the barn first.
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| May 9, 2018, 4:31 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Free, but I gotta go chase the chicken in the barn first.

I shall wait patiently. :)
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| May 9, 2018, 4:33 pm
*panting* Got 5 chickens. I got extras for teriyaki chicken. LOL!
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| May 9, 2018, 4:39 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
Hey Zach, so what are your voting plans? Shall we help Catland after we were mean and famined him?

I vote for you, so you can stab people in back twice as hard.
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| May 9, 2018, 5:06 pm
We arent gonna let Tom get his way with no opposition are we? ;)
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| May 9, 2018, 5:29 pm
Whoah... I just checked and I have the lowest number of anyone in DA3 for the personal homepage link. So you're saying that makes me the longest serving MOC Pages member of the group?? To be honest I joined well before I became active haha, so it's not really a fair measure.

I too greatly lament the issues plaguing our fine site, one which I have clearly been loyal to for a long time. I think flickr has a lot of problems logistically but with the stability I'd be willing to try it as long as Navarre doesn't get his bajillion likes every time haha! Honestly without an expensive fresh start/site I agree there's no way to get exactly what we want which is basically an upgraded MOCPages.
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| May 9, 2018, 6:18 pm
Yes, we shall not serve the False Magistrate! Help me fight, help me succeed! I will not let you down. :)
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| May 9, 2018, 6:21 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle
I call upon the world to vote to reinforce Daniel! Death to the False Magistrate! New election before AW7!

What?!?! You don't like my rice bowls?!?! XP
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| May 9, 2018, 6:21 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle
I call upon the world to vote to reinforce Daniel! Death to the False Magistrate! New election before AW7!

Didnt you vote for him?
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| May 9, 2018, 6:22 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
What?!?! You don't like my rice bowls?!?! XP

Sorry Shifu...

I decided to have Panda Express instead.
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| May 9, 2018, 6:23 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
Didnt you vote for him?

He turned traitor :D pretty epic turn around if a do say so myself.
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| May 9, 2018, 6:25 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

I loved him, once. Look what he's done to us.

Insert movie betrayal quote... off the top of my head I'm going with Obi Wan: "[but] you were the chosen one!"
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| May 9, 2018, 6:25 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Sorry Shifu...

I decided to have Panda Express instead.

They do have some pretty good walnut shrimp and rangoons... now I'm hungry... XP
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| May 9, 2018, 6:25 pm
Quoting Doug Hughes
Insert movie betrayal quote... off the top of my head I'm going with Obi Wan: "[but] you were the chosen one!"

"Et tu, Brute?"
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| May 9, 2018, 6:25 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
They do have some pretty good walnut shrimp and rangoons... now I'm hungry... XP

Haha! So am I....
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| May 9, 2018, 6:26 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

I loved him, once. Look what he's done to us.

You HIDDEN guys are confusing. You elect a guy and then denounce him. What going on over there? Too many chefs in the kitchen? Not enough? Maybe no chefs? Maybe no restaurant? I have so many questions...
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| May 9, 2018, 6:26 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
You HIDDEN guys are confusing. You elect a guy and then denounce him. What going on over there? Too many chefs in the kitchen? Not enough? Maybe no chefs? Maybe no restaurant? I have so many questions...

Actually, too many restaurants.
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| May 9, 2018, 6:27 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Actually, too many restaurants.

But not a single French cuisine joint in sight, eh?
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| May 9, 2018, 6:30 pm
Maybe rice bowls and chicharrůnes then?
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| May 9, 2018, 6:31 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
But not a single French cuisine joint in sight, eh?

Who needs French cuisine when you've got Macca's? That's still considered a restaurant right?
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| May 9, 2018, 6:33 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Maybe rice bowls and chicharrůnes then?

Nah mate. Potjiekos' where it's at.
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| May 9, 2018, 6:35 pm
Quoting Werewolff Studios
Nah mate. Potjiekos' where it's at.

Dadgum, now I'm really hungry. XP
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| May 9, 2018, 6:37 pm
Quoting Master Shifu Leo J
Dadgum, now I'm really hungry. XP

Same here my friend. Same.

How about I throw Peppermint-Crisp Tart into the mix and see how we feel? XD

http://www.food24.com/Recipes/Peppermint-Crisp-tart-20121031
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| May 9, 2018, 6:40 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

Turns out Remy had a rat under his hat the whole time.

Like Ratatouille?
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| May 9, 2018, 6:41 pm
Alles sal reg kom as elkeen sy plig doen
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| May 9, 2018, 6:45 pm
Quoting Werewolff Studios
Same here my friend. Same.

How about I throw Peppermint-Crisp Tart into the mix and see how we feel? XD

http://www.food24.com/Recipes/Peppermint-Crisp-tart-20121031

Demands, demands... sure!
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| May 9, 2018, 6:46 pm
Quoting Michiel Norp
Alles sal reg kom as elkeen sy plig doen

Baie waar, Michiel.
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| May 9, 2018, 6:53 pm
Quoting Michiel Norp
Alles sal reg kom as elkeen sy plig doen

So vote for me then? XD
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| May 9, 2018, 7:01 pm
I would say somthing along the lines of "stand up to tyranny" or "fight for freedom" but when tyranny is all the remains, what is the use?
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| May 9, 2018, 7:02 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
I would say somthing along the lines of "stand up to tyranny" or "fight for freedom" but when tyranny is all the remains, what is the use?

You. Voted. For. Remy.

Stop complaining about ďtyrannyĒ when YOU voted for him. If you donít like him as CM guess what? You have but one person to blame... yourself. Name calling and claiming people to be tyrants when you put them in power is laughable.
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| May 9, 2018, 7:24 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
You. Voted. For. Remy.

Stop complaining about ďtyrannyĒ when YOU voted for him. If you donít like him as CM guess what? You have but one person to blame... yourself. Name calling and claiming people to be tyrants when you put them in power is laughable.

Did I say I disapprove of tyranny? :P
Also, we didnt know he was with you until he was elected:P

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| May 9, 2018, 7:25 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
You. Voted. For. Remy.

Stop complaining about ďtyrannyĒ when YOU voted for him. If you donít like him as CM guess what? You have but one person to blame... yourself. Name calling and claiming people to be tyrants when you put them in power is laughable.

*sigh*

No one understands sarcasm.
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| May 9, 2018, 7:26 pm
Quoting Patrick Boyle

It was just cooler when he was our tyrant.

Agreed
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| May 9, 2018, 7:26 pm
Quoting General Gunn ~
Did I say I disapprove of tyranny? :P
Also, we didnt know he was with you until he was elected:P

Oh so you got conned into voting for someone but then they didnít live up to their side of the bargain? Huh thatís weird. Kinda reminds of that time when you and Bacca has a plan and you didnít folllow though with your end. Karma sure is sneaky, eh?
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| May 9, 2018, 7:32 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
*sigh*

No one understands sarcasm.

Maybe if no one understands the sarcasm then it isnít very good sarcasm.
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| May 9, 2018, 7:40 pm
Quoting Zach Sweigart
Maybe if no one understands the sarcasm then it isnít very good sarcasm.

Haha! Too true...

Nice burn btw. XD
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| May 9, 2018, 7:43 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Haha! Too true...

Nice burn btw. XD

Sorry I guess I put this in the wrong thread. This isnít the smack thread.

Not trying to insult anyone, just making a point.
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| May 9, 2018, 7:48 pm
Tyrrany, sarcasm, big words... let's call this situation quite ironic.
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| May 9, 2018, 8:09 pm
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