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You can chat about MOCpages News Issue #2 here. Please don't start arguments, or use crude language. Thanks! ~ MOCpages News staff.
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| March 20, 2017, 9:53 pm
Thank you for advertising Speed Champions Building Contest, but it´s not my contest, André Fontes runs it.
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| March 21, 2017, 8:47 am
Sweet! Thanks for giving my build a shoutout! Really excited for both MELO and LCBTC! :D
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| March 21, 2017, 8:58 am
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Quoting LegoPredator !
Thank you for advertising Speed Champions Building Contest, but it´s not my contest, André Fontes runs it.


Okay, thanks for letting me know. I'll change that.
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| March 21, 2017, 9:54 am
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Quoting Roanoke Handybuck
Sweet! Thanks for giving my build a shoutout! Really excited for both MELO and LCBTC! :D


You're welcome! It actually makes pretty good news, because it's an ongoing project. MELO will be awesome!
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| March 21, 2017, 9:55 am
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Did the rest of the staff decide agaisnt my series? Or did you change your mind? Or forget? :)
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| March 21, 2017, 12:31 pm
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Quoting James Douglas
Did the rest of the staff decide against my series? Or did you change your mind? Or forget? :)


Oh my gosh, I forgot to put that in! I'll add that now ;) Sorry...

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| March 21, 2017, 8:25 pm
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Looking forward to Lego Castle Building Techniques contest and MELO!
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| March 22, 2017, 6:48 pm
Finally got a chance to read through issue 2 :P
A couple things:
First, can you include a link to the LCBTC? (http://moc-pages.com/group.php/26038)
Second, Legolas Greenleaf isn't a new builder (He's been posting since 2015 I think)
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| March 23, 2017, 6:23 pm
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Quoting Classical Bricks
Finally got a chance to read through issue 2 :P
A couple things:
First, can you include a link to the LCBTC? (http://moc-pages.com/group.php/26038)
Second, Legolas Greenleaf isn't a new builder (He's been posting since 2015 I think)


Okay, I'll fix those. I'm hoping that making you guys writers will help reduce the amount of edits I'll have to make after I post each issue...

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| March 23, 2017, 8:33 pm
anybody here want to join my MOContests group? You're welcome to if you want. http://www.moc-pages.com/group.php/26035
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| March 24, 2017, 7:31 am
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1. Thanks for mentioning my homepage. Did you mean my page/creations are cool or funny? 2. My opinion on Noir is that he should be allowed to post, but perhaps his posts should be unallowed to be featured on the homepage.
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| March 24, 2017, 9:26 am
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Quoting Uncategorizable Potato
1. Thanks for mentioning my homepage. Did you mean my page/creations are cool or funny? 2. My opinion on Noir is that he should be allowed to post, but perhaps his posts should be unallowed to be featured on the homepage.


Yup, I find your homepage funny :P
I really don't care if his creations make it to the homepage, as long as nude women aren't his main pic, (Which everyone can see, regardless of whether or not they want to see the whole creation). This is just my opinion, and I'd appreciate it if the debate stops now.


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| March 24, 2017, 10:07 am
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Quoting Ethan Quantz
anybody here want to join my MOContests group? You're welcome to if you want. http://www.moc-pages.com/group.php/26035


Hey Ethan, that looks like a cool contest! However, this should really go in the "Suggestions" thread, and not in this thread. K? thanks~Jonathan
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| March 24, 2017, 10:10 am
Quoting Jonathan Demers

Hey Ethan, that looks like a cool contest! However, this should really go in the "Suggestions" thread, and not in this thread. K? thanks~Jonathan

Oh, okay sure! Sorry about that, just new around here😁
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| March 24, 2017, 10:48 am
Quoting Ethan Quantz
Oh, okay sure! Sorry about that, just new around here😁

(Emojis show up as numbers I guess)
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| March 24, 2017, 10:49 am
would someone like to address the mass deletion of posts supporting Brick noir? or the posts that question the silencing of opinions?

EDIT: and perhaps address Matt RowntRee's subsequent ban?
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| March 24, 2017, 1:00 pm
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Quoting Gallardo of LU
would someone like to address the mass deletion of posts supporting Brick noir? or the posts that question the silencing of opinions?

EDIT: and perhaps address Matt RowntRee's subsequent ban?


Hey Gallardo,

I appreciate your concerns. I deleted the comments as I did not want the focus of this group to be debates on Brick Noir's creations. I deleted all the comments on both sides of the issue, and I'd really appreciate it if we all just dropped it, and did not discuss Brick Noir's stuff in either a negative or a positive light here. If you still want to talk about it, the MOCpages help group has a large thread on it. As far as banning Matt, I did it in the heat of the moment, and I'm going to invite him back. If he still won't drop the issue, then I'll just have to ban him again. Thanks for reaching out to me on this. ~ Jonathan.

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| March 24, 2017, 2:01 pm
good now i have good intel about what's going on around here!:D
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| March 24, 2017, 4:54 pm
Quoting Jonathan Demers

Hey Gallardo,

I appreciate your concerns. I deleted the comments as I did not want the focus of this group to be debates on Brick Noir's creations. I deleted all the comments on both sides of the issue, and I'd really appreciate it if we all just dropped it, and did not discuss Brick Noir's stuff in either a negative or a positive light here. If you still want to talk about it, the MOCpages help group has a large thread on it. As far as banning Matt, I did it in the heat of the moment, and I'm going to invite him back. If he still won't drop the issue, then I'll just have to ban him again. Thanks for reaching out to me on this. ~ Jonathan.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! Don't send people to the MOCpages Help Forum! Did you even read what I said? That will get you in trouble over there. Nobody for any reason should be adding to the debate that took place in the MOCpages Help Forum because that group is specifically for technical problems with the site, not debate. And why are you wanting to delete the comments? What's the point of the topic made specifically for talking about Issue #2 if we are being regulated on what we can talk about from the Issue?
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| March 24, 2017, 8:56 pm
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Quoting MCLegoboy !
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! Don't send people to the MOCpages Help Forum! Did you even read what I said? That will get you in trouble over there. Nobody for any reason should be adding to the debate that took place in the MOCpages Help Forum because that group is specifically for technical problems with the site, not debate. And why are you wanting to delete the comments? What's the point of the topic made specifically for talking about Issue #2 if we are being regulated on what we can talk about from the Issue?


Sorry man, I didn't know the MOCpages staff didn't want that over there!
I don't mind friendly debates and discussions here, about anything but Bricks Noir and his creations, but I sensed that the whole thing with Matt was outside the realm of debate, as he started name calling instead of debating. Please feel free to talk about anything except Bricks Noir. That never leads anywhere or accomplishes anything.

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| March 24, 2017, 9:52 pm
I rarely post comments to a public forum, but gross hypocrisy and injustice have a way of lighting a proverbial fire under my butt.

I find it incredibly ironic that although the entire "Bricks Noir" discussion has now been deleted, the single most incendiary comment, namely the "Controversy" section of Issue #2, still remains. The admins are, of course, free to do as they wish, but by choosing that course of action, they are pretty much confirming many of the things that matt rowntRee was apparently banned for saying - that this group is not a news outlet that serves MOCpages as a whole (as it purports to be, based on its title), but rather an agenda-driven blog catering to a niche group within MOCpages.

Furthermore, by banishing matt, arguably one of the most creative and supportive members on MOCpages (you don't have to search to hard to find examples of the well-thought-out and constructive comments that he leaves for a huge variety of builders and subjects), the admins have only succeeded in eroding their already wafer-thin credibility.

As I recall, matt's original post on the subject was to question who has the right to define what art is. I'm not going to argue the definition of art, but I will state that declaring that something isn't art simply because it depicts nude women, as the author of the Controversy section suggests, is ludicrous. That statement is probably a large part of what matt found so objectionable. Many of the greatest works of art throughout history have included nude women - Botticelli's "Venus," Rembrandt's "Bathsheba," Modigliani's "Reclining Nude," and Picasso's "Nude, Green Leaves and Bust" are just a few examples. Most great artists have at one time or another have either sketched, painted, sculpted, or photographed a nude. To some extent, the nude has been used as a benchmark of an artist's skill, because it is such a difficult subject.

I'm not sure how long this comment will last before it is deleted, or how long it will be before I get banned as well, but something really needed to be said. If andros tempest were as trigger-happy with the "ban button," dozens (including many members of this group) would have been kicked out of the MOCpages Help Forum long ago, and he, quite frankly, has endured far more extreme remarks.

And at this point, I'm dropping the mic.



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| March 25, 2017, 4:03 am
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Okay, you two. Thanks for your contributions. Johnathon is the only one to be able to edit his comment, and I very much hopes he does so.

I feel johnathon may have offended you because he didn't "choose his words correctly" with the "talk about anything but noir" statement.

We will not discuss religion, politics, or any other issue that may be a bit argument-starting.

You guys do not know what we have done since. Calling this group an agenda page is just silly.

At least 10-20 hours before you posted your comments we, in the staff group, decided that we had made a mistake. The controversy section was dropped yesterday, perhaps even 20 or so hours ago. I may delete your comments, and this one once it has been read, not because any of us are firing a view point, but because this bridge has been crossed so many times before and everyone but the die hard "anti noir club" is tired of it.

the staff agreed this was all a mistake, however, none of you realised this as you cannot access the staff group. Why johnathon has not edited his comment I do not know. I will do that now, I'll delete it and repost it myself to make sure the thing is gone.


Apologies.
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| March 25, 2017, 6:47 am
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Quoting James Douglas
Okay, you two. Thanks for your contributions. Johnathon is the only one to be able to edit his comment, and I very much hopes he does so.

I feel johnathon may have offended you because he didn't "choose his words correctly" with the "talk about anything but noir" statement.

We will not discuss religion, politics, or any other issue that may be a bit argument-starting.

You guys do not know what we have done since. Calling this group an agenda page is just silly.

At least 5 or 6 hours before you posted your comments we, in the staff group, decided that we had made a mistake. The controversy section has been dropped. I may delete your comments, and this one once it has been read, not because any of us are firing a view point, but because this bridge has been crossed so many times before and everyone but the die hard "anti noir club" is tired of it.

the staff agreed this was all a mistake, however, none of you realised this as you cannot access the staff group. Why johnathon has not edited his comment I do not know. I will do that now, I'll delete it and repost it myself to make sure the thing is gone.


Apologies.


And I forgot to say- most of the staff are in agreement that even if we do complete the controversy section, our own opinions should not come through.

I will not lock this thread, As I believe that there may be several heathy comments to be replied to, however as soon as it turns ugly I will lock the conversation and perhaps delete every single comment In This thread.

Everyone in agreement?

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| March 25, 2017, 6:49 am
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And by the way matt's ban (while it was a mistake, I think) WAS NOT because of comment he made.

It was because the group had been hacked by someone, and swears put in the title, and other not so pleasant remarks.

The staff (not including myself. I missed all of this, as I was busy at school for 7 hours) had some information which incriminated Matt Rowntree of the deed.

So can you tell me you would not remove a hacker from your group simply because he's a community rock and a good builder?

I know both McLegoBoy and Bricks Noir have missed alot of the happenings in either this group or the staff group, so I am trying to let you see all sides of the story. (Like a good journalist, eh, eh?)

And by the way, seeing neither of you have entered into name calling or other rude behaviour you won't get banned.
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| March 25, 2017, 6:58 am
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Quoting Bricks Noir
I rarely post comments to a public forum, but gross hypocrisy and injustice have a way of lighting a proverbial fire under my butt.

I find it incredibly ironic that although the entire "Bricks Noir" discussion has now been deleted, the single most incendiary comment, namely the "Controversy" section of Issue #2, still remains. The admins are, of course, free to do as they wish, but by choosing that course of action, they are pretty much confirming many of the things that matt rowntRee was apparently banned for saying - that this group is not a news outlet that serves MOCpages as a whole (as it purports to be, based on its title), but rather an agenda-driven blog catering to a niche group within MOCpages.

Furthermore, by banishing matt, arguably one of the most creative and supportive members on MOCpages (you don't have to search to hard to find examples of the well-thought-out and constructive comments that he leaves for a huge variety of builders and subjects), the admins have only succeeded in eroding their already wafer-thin credibility.

As I recall, matt's original post on the subject was to question who has the right to define what art is. I'm not going to argue the definition of art, but I will state that declaring that something isn't art simply because it depicts nude women, as the author of the Controversy section suggests, is ludicrous. That statement is probably a large part of what matt found so objectionable. Many of the greatest works of art throughout history have included nude women - Botticelli's "Venus," Rembrandt's "Bathsheba," Modigliani's "Reclining Nude," and Picasso's "Nude, Green Leaves and Bust" are just a few examples. Most great artists have at one time or another have either sketched, painted, sculpted, or photographed a nude. To some extent, the nude has been used as a benchmark of an artist's skill, because it is such a difficult subject.

I'm not sure how long this comment will last before it is deleted, or how long it will be before I get banned as well, but something really needed to be said. If andros tempest were as trigger-happy with the "ban button," dozens (including many members of this group) would have been kicked out of the MOCpages Help Forum long ago, and he, quite frankly, has endured far more extreme remarks.

And at this point, I'm dropping the mic.



Hi mr. Noir, Matt wouldn't have been banned if he didn't hack the group. I personally didn't know what happened because I had been gone for a while. Controversy is defined as a disagreement, typically prolonged and public. Therefore us mentioning your creation in the controversy section would be basically us mentioning it in a "disagreement" section. We are changing it, and I apologize that this group offended you. Have a nice day, and God bless~ Duckie

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| March 25, 2017, 7:24 am
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Okay, after reading through all of the comments here I feel like I have to jump in.
First of all, I'm sorry, Matt being banned was my fault. I jumped to the conclusion that it was him that hacked the group, though most likely if was another member. I had just assumed it was him as his comment seemed extremely against this group. We have now invited him back and attempted to make amends.
@Bricks Noir: Thank you for expressing your opinion, it is nice to get the info straight from the horse's mouth. I am sorry that you feel that way about this group. Though I do agree with you on some parts, I believe that Jonathan stated his opinion when he should of simply reported that there was an issue.
We, the staff, have agreed that we have made mistakes, and we also have agreed to leave out the controversy section from now on.
@The Mass Deletion: The mass deletion of comments was because of the extremity of the comments, we just could not allow posts of this level to continue. Though you may also notice that not only the comments supporting Mr. Noir were deleted, but all of the comments were. This shows that we were not just "silencing" the opinions that opposed ours. The argument was just exalting too much.
To address "no discussion" issue. I, and I assum most of the staff, are okay with discussions, as long as they are friendly with no arguments. This discussion was quickly becoming an argument and we felt it was necessary to shut it down.
I hope this has addressed all of the questions/issues that members of this group have.

-Marley Mac, Head " Creations of the Week" Writer-
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| March 25, 2017, 9:24 am
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Quoting Marley Mac

Edit: The controversy section has now been removed.
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| March 25, 2017, 9:52 am
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Quoting Marley Mac
Edit: The controversy section has now been removed.


Thank you, Marley and James, for removing the controversial part out of the paper. I had meant to do that but never did.

@Bricks Noir,

I appreciate your honesty on this topic, and can heartily assure you that neither yourself, nor any others will be banned for discussing articles here. I felt at the time that Matt was simply being rude, (he insulted C Stucky, a talented builder here) and had reason to believe that he hacked us, with some very rude words. I apologize for banning him so quickly without proof, and he has been invited back. I hope that you continue to read our articles, and change your view of us. Thank you ~ Jonathan
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| March 25, 2017, 10:00 am
Just for everyone's information, my only comment in this debate thus far was that I learned from previous debates that arguing doesn't help anyone: it doesn't convince anyone, and it just makes everyone mad at each other, therefore I didn't introduce my own opinion and I won't be doing so. That comment got deleted along with the others and, I think, it goes to show that the Admins & Mods of this group are not trying to subdue others' opinions but rather to make peace and help us get along. Others, are entitled to their own opinions, of course.
As for my own part, I would really be pleased if everyone would drop this debate.
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| March 25, 2017, 10:40 am
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Quoting C Stucky
As for my own part, I would really be pleased if everyone would drop this debate.

Agreed
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| March 25, 2017, 10:50 am
Well, hasn't this been fun ? There is a big difference between argument and debate; the latter is when both sides listen to what the other has to say as well as yelling at them... I think there's space for a group where this is possible to engage members' interest.

That's largely what seems to have happened here, eventually.

I cannot conceive of a universe where Matt Rowntree would hack a group, even one he vehemently disagreed with.

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| March 25, 2017, 11:03 am
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Quoting C Stucky
Just for everyone's information, my only comment in this debate thus far was that I learned from previous debates that arguing doesn't help anyone: it doesn't convince anyone, and it just makes everyone mad at each other, therefore I didn't introduce my own opinion and I won't be doing so. That comment got deleted along with the others and, I think, it goes to show that the Admins & Mods of this group are not trying to subdue others' opinions but rather to make peace and help us get along. Others, are entitled to their own opinions, of course.
As for my own part, I would really be pleased if everyone would drop this debate.


Yup, you summed it up nicely. That's how I feel on the matter.

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| March 25, 2017, 11:06 am
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Quoting Nick Barrett
Well, hasn't this been fun ? There is a big difference between argument and debate; the latter is when both sides listen to what the other has to say as well as yelling at them... I think there's space for a group where this is possible to engage members' interest.

That's largely what seems to have happened here, eventually.

I cannot conceive of a universe where Matt Rowntree would hack a group, even one he vehemently disagreed with.


I'm glad to hear that Matt is NOT the hacker!

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| March 25, 2017, 11:11 am
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I must feel da power. I'm a mod. But was I an admin before?
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| March 25, 2017, 11:18 am
I have a suggestion for entertainment/humor. This guy's homepage is chock full with jokes. (He's a good builder too!) http://moc-pages.com/home.php/24699
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| March 25, 2017, 11:21 am
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Quoting Nick Barrett
Well, hasn't this been fun ? There is a big difference between argument and debate; the latter is when both sides listen to what the other has to say as well as yelling at them... I think there's space for a group where this is possible to engage members' interest.

That's largely what seems to have happened here, eventually.

I cannot conceive of a universe where Matt Rowntree would hack a group, even one he vehemently disagreed with.

Well that's good. Again, sorry. Also, I agree with you, it did happen... eventually. :P
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| March 25, 2017, 11:41 am
I have news, sort of. I recently made a stop motion brick film! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJJe7dMzEUw
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| March 25, 2017, 2:26 pm
Now that cooler heads have apparently prevailed and things have calmed down a bit, I have a few more comments (nothing that should cause anyone any heartburn, I hope):

First, I think that some kind of news group is a very good idea. Interest in MOCpages in general is waning, and a group like MOCpages News could help to reestablish some of that lost interest.

Second, as a news outlet, there is nothing wrong with MOCpages News having an opinion section. Most newspapers have some kind of opinion or editorial column. The important thing, though, is that it be clearly identified as opinion, and that members with dissenting opinions be allowed to express themselves (most newspapers also have a readers' response column). As long as no one resorts to ad hominem attacks, or expresses hatred toward another group, pretty much all opinions should be allowed.

Finally, on a more personal note, I take no offense to any comments made about my work. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and I am free to heed or disregard comments at my discretion or delete comments that I feel are a distraction. That being said, I welcome comments on the technical aspects of my work, no matter how harsh. I am always looking for ways to improve, and self inspection only gets you so far. I actually feel that there is not enough honest, constructive criticism on MOCpages in general.

I hope that you succeed in getting through any initial problems with MOCpages News. It has the potential to have a positive impact on the community at large.
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| March 25, 2017, 9:38 pm
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Quoting Bricks Noir
Now that things have calmed down a bit, I have a few more comments:

First, I think a news group is a good idea. Without some kind of injection of interest, MOCpages is likely to go the way of the dinosaur before too long. Something like MOCpages news could help to reestablish that interest.

As a news outlet, there is nothing wrong with MOCpages News hosting some kind of opinion section. Most newspapers have an opinion or editorial column. The important thing is it be clearly identified as opinion and that there be some opportunity for members to voice a dissenting opinion (most news outlets also have a reader response column as part of their editorial section). As long as no one resorts to ad hominem attacks, or expresses some kind of hate against another group, pretty much all opinions should be welcomed.

Finally, on a more personal note, I take no offense to any comments made about my work, for any reason. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and I can choose to heed or ignore remarks at my discretion. I also reserve the right to delete any comments on my work that I feel are a distraction, e.g. I'm not interested in ever hosting an argument on morality on the page of one my MOCs. That being said, I welcome comments, no matter how harsh, on the technical aspects of my work. I am always looking for ways to improve. I actually think there isn't enough honest, constructive criticism on MOCpages in general.

I wish you success in ironing out all of the initial issues. MOCpages News has the potential to have a positive impact on the community at large.


Thank you so much for this Bricks Noir, I really appreciate your calm response to all this! I hope that you continue to feel welcomed here, and stay active.


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| March 25, 2017, 11:18 pm
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@ Bricks Noir,

Thank you so much for staying calm through this whole thing, I really appreciate it! And yes, I think this group has great potential, that's why I formed it. I hope that you feel welcomed here, and this sort of thing doesn't happen again.
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| March 25, 2017, 11:22 pm
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Yeah, this group has great potential. (And with great potential, comes great responsibility. Wait, that's not the line...) Also, I agree that MOCpages doesn't have enough constructive criticism. I love it when someone complements one of my mocs, but I'm equally happy when someone posts some nice, constructive, criticism.
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| March 26, 2017, 12:41 am
Quoting Daniel H.
Yeah, this group has great potential. (And with great potential, comes great responsibility. Wait, that's not the line...) Also, I agree that MOCpages doesn't have enough constructive criticism. I love it when someone complements one of my mocs, but I'm equally happy when someone posts some nice, constructive, criticism.


Agreed. I enjoy both positive feedback and constructive feedback. Likes are well and good, but it's often more helpful to have something of a dialogue when it comes to creations. This is particularly true regarding more complex creations or creations which we intend to submit to either contests or for the IDEAS program.

One thing I would like to see, and this is a personal thing, is people stretching beyond their comfort zones to comment and critique MOCs in other themes from your own preferences. Far too often I feel we get into our own themes and we lose touch with what is neat about other themes. This makes it really hard to get feedback on rarer themes.
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| March 26, 2017, 3:08 am
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Quoting Bricks Noir

Thanks for your comments on this group Bricks Noir, we appreciate it.
Also, glad you've decided to stay with us and not hold grudges. :)
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| March 26, 2017, 7:52 am
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Quoting Bricks Noir
Now that cooler heads have apparently prevailed and things have calmed down a bit, I have a few more comments (nothing that should cause anyone any heartburn, I hope):

First, I think that some kind of news group is a very good idea. Interest in MOCpages in general is waning, and a group like MOCpages News could help to reestablish some of that lost interest.

Second, as a news outlet, there is nothing wrong with MOCpages News having an opinion section. Most newspapers have some kind of opinion or editorial column. The important thing, though, is that it be clearly identified as opinion, and that members with dissenting opinions be allowed to express themselves (most newspapers also have a readers' response column). As long as no one resorts to ad hominem attacks, or expresses hatred toward another group, pretty much all opinions should be allowed.

Finally, on a more personal note, I take no offense to any comments made about my work. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and I am free to heed or disregard comments at my discretion or delete comments that I feel are a distraction. That being said, I welcome comments on the technical aspects of my work, no matter how harsh. I am always looking for ways to improve, and self inspection only gets you so far. I actually feel that there is not enough honest, constructive criticism on MOCpages in general.

I hope that you succeed in getting through any initial problems with MOCpages News. It has the potential to have a positive impact on the community at large.
thank you Mr. Noir. We appreciate your toleration with people (like myself) who are against your work.

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| March 26, 2017, 8:37 am
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So, good to know this civil discussion has ended! And, the horse is finally dead, buried, and crimated.


(Mocpages help forum inside joke)
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| March 26, 2017, 8:38 am
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Quoting James Douglas
So, good to know this civil discussion has ended! And, the horse is finally dead, buried, and crimated.


(Mocpages help forum inside joke)

Lol :P
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| March 26, 2017, 8:40 am
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Quoting James Douglas
So, good to know this civil discussion has ended! And, the horse is finally dead, buried, and crimated.


(Mocpages help forum inside joke)

:D
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| March 26, 2017, 9:59 am
I love this initiative! MOCpages may be dead, but it is like a zombie. Like, still moving.
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| March 26, 2017, 12:16 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I love this initiative! MOCpages may be dead, but it is like a zombie. Like, still moving.

Ooooookaaaaay... :P
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| March 26, 2017, 12:25 pm
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Quoting Deus "Big D." Otiosus
I love this initiative! MOCpages may be dead, but it is like a zombie. Like, still moving.


Like a zombie? So it goes around other social media sites, bites them, and then brings them and their members to MP?

actually not such a bad recriutment idea.....

Hey, Sean!
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| March 26, 2017, 12:40 pm
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Quoting Bricks Noir
Now that cooler heads have apparently prevailed and things have calmed down a bit, I have a few more comments (nothing that should cause anyone any heartburn, I hope):

First, I think that some kind of news group is a very good idea. Interest in MOCpages in general is waning, and a group like MOCpages News could help to reestablish some of that lost interest.

Second, as a news outlet, there is nothing wrong with MOCpages News having an opinion section. Most newspapers have some kind of opinion or editorial column. The important thing, though, is that it be clearly identified as opinion, and that members with dissenting opinions be allowed to express themselves (most newspapers also have a readers' response column). As long as no one resorts to ad hominem attacks, or expresses hatred toward another group, pretty much all opinions should be allowed.

Finally, on a more personal note, I take no offense to any comments made about my work. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and I am free to heed or disregard comments at my discretion or delete comments that I feel are a distraction. That being said, I welcome comments on the technical aspects of my work, no matter how harsh. I am always looking for ways to improve, and self inspection only gets you so far. I actually feel that there is not enough honest, constructive criticism on MOCpages in general.

I hope that you succeed in getting through any initial problems with MOCpages News. It has the potential to have a positive impact on the community at large.

As a more recent active builder (I have technically been on MOC pages for a long time but never paid attention to commenting or discussions etc until I started posting more frequently a couple years ago) I have to wonder at what the old heydey was like! I would like to think that the energy shown by some of the young folks on the pages is showing that it is still a robust and thriving community! In fact, with active builders like you, Deus, rowntree, Barrett, Navarre, Oliver Becker, nannan, and many other brilliant people I don't have time to mention, many of whom are part of this discussion, I'd also like to think the Lego building skill is top notch as well :) Plus there have been some really fantastic contests of late.
I simply state all that to say I think MOC pages is far from dead even if it is different than in the past! Honestly my biggest complaint is the technical issues of the site: both the frustrating image uploader and the frequent crashes.
In any case, I very much agree with the outcome of this discussion in that the concencus seems to be that opinions and debates are healthy important aspects of a thriving community. And they won't always be positive. Also I heartily second your endorsement of this great idea to create a news outlet for this site. There's just too much going on to keep track and this is a fun sensible way to help us keep up.
Let's keep good momentum rolling and give MOC pages a new golden age!
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| March 26, 2017, 1:03 pm
 Group admin 
Soo...let me get this straight- we're gonna make mocpages great again?
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| March 26, 2017, 1:35 pm
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Quoting James Douglas
Soo...let me get this straight- we're gonna make mocpages great again?

Ha! Not the exact words I'd use ;)
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| March 26, 2017, 1:51 pm
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Quoting James Douglas
Soo...let me get this straight- we're gonna make mocpages great again?

Lol.
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| March 26, 2017, 3:52 pm
Hey all,

For those of you that know me, you might have noticed I haven't been active on MOCpages recently. Due to new priorities in my life, I've had to cut out a few social outlets, and for me that meant dropping MOCpages. So from my point of view, having a well-run, accurate and complete news outlet for the 'pages would be awesome! Then I'd only have to check this group on a weekly basis to know what's going on around this website. I just wanted to give you all a boost of encouragement and let you know that even some non-active members of the community will find this group a good resource.

Good going and keep up the good work!
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| March 26, 2017, 4:26 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting James Douglas
Soo...let me get this straight- we're gonna make mocpages great again?

http://www.moc-pages.com/image_zoom.php?mocid=&id=/user_images/113761/14905605681

Hehehe.
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| March 26, 2017, 4:36 pm
 Group admin 
Such a great idea for a group....so nice to have an overall idea of what's going around here without having to spend 10 minutes in the pages
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| March 26, 2017, 5:07 pm
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Quoting VAkkron ™
Hey all,

For those of you that know me, you might have noticed I haven't been active on MOCpages recently. Due to new priorities in my life, I've had to cut out a few social outlets, and for me that meant dropping MOCpages. So from my point of view, having a well-run, accurate and complete news outlet for the 'pages would be awesome! Then I'd only have to check this group on a weekly basis to know what's going on around this website. I just wanted to give you all a boost of encouragement and let you know that even some non-active members of the community will find this group a good resource.

Good going and keep up the good work!


Thank you for that sir!

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| March 26, 2017, 9:41 pm
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