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In this thread anyone can add topics with their ideas for a group structure

This is my idea for a group structure (mainly for the topics) of the new hub:

Topics:

1) “Report a problem” or “Help Thread”: In this topic members or groups can report a problem. No matter if it is about inactivity, problems with groups in general, unfair dictatorships, or bullying, the hub management will always try to find a solution for them!

2) “Log in for new groups”: In this topic new groups can declare their membership of UGM and write a short description of what they’re about. Also this is the place where new groups on MOCpages will be sent by the hub management, when they get discovered by UGM members.

3) “Sunday News”: At the end of each week, this topic will serve the purpose of an exchange between the groups. Here they can talk about news, developments, updates, elections, and everything else what happened in the group and is important.

4)“The Fellowship of the Brick”, “iBrick”, “Xtreme TFOLS”, “LOTR Gallery Hangout”, etc… As an alternative or in addition to the “Sunday News”, groups that reached the required members or conversation size can get their own topics for news in the hub. If smaller groups start their own topics, the group management will reply to them with an explanation of the requirements for their own topic and then it will be locked until the group reaches the required numbers to qualify themselves for a firm place. Of course they will be allowed to use the “Sunday News” for their updates, though.

5)“Proclaim a (Group) Contest”: In this topic groups and/or members can announce a contest and request the help of the UGM management to organize the contest.

6)“The Group and Members Scout”: A very important aspect to guarantee the awareness of a central community, is that there should always be people searching for new groups and members on MOCpages. If you have found a new group or member, you can tell the hub management about them here. Then they will get a short “Welcome message” and get invited to The United Groups of MOCpages immediately. Also there should be a scouting team organized and sent by the hub to look for new groups every once in a while.

7)“MOCpages Chat” (or a different name): Just a normal chatroom for people who want to talk about random things with other people (for which they don’t need a specific group)

8)Topics for regular and democratic elections for the hub leaders (This will only make sense when the hub becomes big and popular enough, otherwise it may be rather confusing)

9)“The Group Banner”: Just a topic with the group banner and a description how to copy it. Also the banner will be a requirement for groups (and maybe also members) who want to be part of the hub. Furthermore there should be another instruction of it on the main page, so that it can’t be ignored so easily. It would be one of the three important parts of the main page, beside the main description/introduction to the group and the list of all participating groups…

10)“Official Announcements”: In this topic the group management and council will make official announcements regarding the group or MOCpages in general.

11)"Group Ideas and Foundations": If you need help or advice for a group foundation, or if you have a great new idea for a new group that would fill a gap on MOCpages, you can discuss it all here.

12)"Rules and Applicant Requirements": The name says it all. No topic for discussions, only a comment describing the rules and requirements. In addition to that we should write this in the official group rules.

If you have some more ideas for topics, please tell us here. :)


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| October 14, 2015, 8:05 am
 Group admin 
Okay, this looks good so far. If you don't mind, I would like to pitch a few adjustments to some of these topics while we're still setting our course.

1) At some point (not necessarily to begin with), we might want to work on a way for people facing issues like bullying, discrimination, stress or conflicts with other MOCpagers to discuss these problems privately with staff members rather than in a thread for all to see.
3), 10) I had the idea that, instead of having a news conversation thread, Hub staff members could post pages with the more significant announcements (planned in a separate staff group) and add them to the Hub group, which would be closed for most members to add creations to. If you think about it, this would be a really powerful tool compared to just posting comments in an announcements thread. I can explain some of the advantages in detail elsewhere.
4) I feel like it might be more efficient to have representatives from every major active group's administration on staff on the Hub to ensure that the important events are announced, and we let most of the group-specific discussions take place in the groups themselves while everyone on the hub mingles in the general conversation/chat thread,
8) As I said above, it might be best to let each group choose its own leaders, and then invite the leaders (or some of them) of sufficiently-large groups to the Hub. That ensures that every major group is represented, which is what we really want for this Hub.
9) That's fairly easy to do on a group homepage, and it would also be easier to find there.
13) Questions and Answers threads are always handy, and can preempt newcomers from starting their own threads to ask questions in a panic.
14) Finally, we could use a thread or two to act as indices of news articles and member groups.
15) The homepage, of course, should have links to most of these threads so that people don't get lost.
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| October 14, 2015, 1:46 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens


Some good ideas! I hope I understood your tips for improvement correctly, so this is what I think so far:

4), 8) After thinking about it for a while, I agree with you that only a limited amount of people (preferably some admins and mods or long-term members of the bigger groups) should be allowed to announce the major news of their groups in the hub. As I mentioned above each of them should have their own topic for this in the hub, all the other groups can add their news in the "Sunday News", so that the smaller groups at least get a chance to be present. Also it would be easier if the group represantatives were admins and mods in the hub and the only people who are allowed to add comments in their own news topics, this way they would always be able to delete comments and lock topics. Finally, this procedure will avoid that their important news will be overlooked because there are too many other comments in their topics.

Another problem that might happen, if every group was allowed to have their own topic, is that we would get a confusingly large conversation topic archive and people wouldn't be able to recognize the more important news so easily. As I mentioned in my first comment, the requirements for a group to get the permission to create their own topic in the hub, should be preset by the hub rules (only groups with the required number of conversation and members will get their own topic in the hub. First we need to discuss though, what the required numbers should be. Maybe we should take a look at all the more or less active and successful groups and then use the average of their numbers. Even though this should probably not be the only point of the requirements, because 2 or 3 of them have like 10 times more members and/or conversation than every other large group. I mean if you have 9 people without any money and 1 person with 10,000,000$ the average would still be 1,000,000...)

So in your opinion the group representatives of the larger /more active groups should be the same people who are the official hub administration? If so, this totally makes sense. It's easier and it will avoid confusion for sure. Also it would make sure that experienced and motivated people, who already have made groups successful, are an important pillar of the hub.

2)/10) So, we should lock the group for creations (like MOCpages help did) and the only MOcs that are added are official hub announcement planned in a seperate staff group? Sounds good!

9) Sounds good to me.

13) This would indeed be a very important thread.

14) Sounds a lot like the "Sunday News" to me, only that people maybe should also be able to write things there on other days. Maybe we could just call it "MOCpages' Group News" or something like that.

15) I agree. This is a very important aspect, because otherwise important topics may simply disappear in the conversation archive after a while

1) I personally think that an official discussion would still be the best way. MOCpages really lacks possibilities how to contact users in a more private way. The only solution I can see right now is founding private groups...


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| October 15, 2015, 9:37 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe

Okay... one more overview:

- Major news and articles get to be added as their own pages to the group.
- We keep another news thread that is more open-forum in nature for general announcements about group events for all groups
- The homepage will contain HTML for badges and banners, as well as a directory and introduction
- The staff of the hub will be composed of representatives from the staff of major groups across MOCpages, simultaneously ensuring strong lines of communications for all groups and experienced staff for the hub. These staff members will have responsibility for posting news items, running the hub, checking for new groups and MOCpagers, and responding to members.
- There will also be threads for questions and answers, help and support, advice on starting new groups, general conversation, announcing new groups, hub announcements, and the rules.

Details we're still considering
- What does it take for a group to have one or more representatives in the hub staff? What does it take for a group to have its own news topic? (While we're considering that, maybe we could consider having all the big groups share news topics at first, and then add group-specific topics later if that doesn't work)
- A staff group for the staff to do staffy things, like decide what news they want to put on the homepage, change policies, conspire secretly and so on (I don't think we've mentioned this before, but staff groups are very useful)
- Should we have a conversation where members can introduce themselves? I think that would be pretty convenient, since it's really hard for people just starting out on the 'pages to get noticed.
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| October 15, 2015, 3:41 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens


I think that a group gets representatives by having (50?) or more members and being generally active. Maybe a group gets it's own topic by having, say, 500 members and activity. A staff group is definitely a must for this.

Yes, I think a member introduction thread would be nice, it would help discourage threads made by made by new group members that are basically just- "Hi, I am new to this group. like my creations plz."

Here is my preliminary list of stuff for the homepage:
1. A description of the group and the purposes it serves, as well as a mission statement.
2. A directory to the important conversation threads
3. A list of the embers of UGM, each with banners and html (if any), a brief description of the group, and link to the group, and hub conversation threads about the group
4. A member of the month thing is nice to increase morale and encourage activity.



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| October 15, 2015, 10:32 pm
I'm not sure this fits in topic-wise, but in the past, groups have had "Neat Chat"s as a way for people to hang out and talk about anything. Think maybe this UGM Hub(or whatever it's going to be called) could use a Neat Chat? After all, it's much easier to have a conversation when people can reply more quickly.

Also, I think a lot of the more important stuff should all be on the homepage (with some fancy HTML decorating). Such as the latest activity (as well as their banners) from each group enlisted, the group banner, and maybe a list of active members?
EDIT: Just realized Micah when over this in his comment above. Whoops. :P
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| October 16, 2015, 12:14 pm
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Quoting Armon Russ
I'm not sure this fits in topic-wise, but in the past, groups have had "Neat Chat"s as a way for people to hang out and talk about anything. Think maybe this UGM Hub(or whatever it's going to be called) could use a Neat Chat? After all, it's much easier to have a conversation when people can reply more quickly.

Also, I think a lot of the more important stuff should all be on the homepage (with some fancy HTML decorating). Such as the latest activity (as well as their banners) from each group enlisted, the group banner, and maybe a list of active members?
EDIT: Just realized Micah when over this in his comment above. Whoops. :P

Yes! Neat Chat is a really good idea for an active chat!
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| October 17, 2015, 12:58 pm
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Quoting Armon Russ
I'm not sure this fits in topic-wise, but in the past, groups have had "Neat Chat"s as a way for people to hang out and talk about anything. Think maybe this UGM Hub(or whatever it's going to be called) could use a Neat Chat? After all, it's much easier to have a conversation when people can reply more quickly.

Also, I think a lot of the more important stuff should all be on the homepage (with some fancy HTML decorating). Such as the latest activity (as well as their banners) from each group enlisted, the group banner, and maybe a list of active members?
EDIT: Just realized Micah when over this in his comment above. Whoops. :P

So long as it doesn't end up like the LOM one last year, that should be fine. Of course, the LOM chat only fell apart because of maturity issues that are not present in any of our staff members anymore.

Oh! I just remembered - Johnnylegoboy911 . has already made a Google Hangout for the Lands of Mythron that seems to be going fairly well. There was one for MOCpages in general in addition to that one, but, since there was so much overlap in members, only the LOM one is still active. We could get the MOCpages chat going again, though.
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| October 17, 2015, 3:13 pm
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Quoting Micah the Fire-breathing Hobbit
Quoting Gilbert Despathens


I think that a group gets representatives by having (50?) or more members and being generally active. Maybe a group gets it's own topic by having, say, 500 members and activity. A staff group is definitely a must for this.

Yes, I think a member introduction thread would be nice, it would help discourage threads made by made by new group members that are basically just- "Hi, I am new to this group. like my creations plz."

Here is my preliminary list of stuff for the homepage:
1. A description of the group and the purposes it serves, as well as a mission statement.
2. A directory to the important conversation threads
3. A list of the embers of UGM, each with banners and html (if any), a brief description of the group, and link to the group, and hub conversation threads about the group
4. A member of the month thing is nice to increase morale and encourage activity.

Sounds fairly good. 500 members is excessive, in my opinion - 200 might be better, since some of the most active MOCpages groups (e.g., the Lands of Mythron) aren't quite to the 500 member marker yet for all of their vitality,
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| October 17, 2015, 3:19 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
So long as it doesn't end up like the LOM one last year, that should be fine. Of course, the LOM chat only fell apart because of maturity issues that are not present in any of our staff members anymore.

Oh! I just remembered - Johnnylegoboy911 . has already made a Google Hangout for the Lands of Mythron that seems to be going fairly well. There was one for MOCpages in general in addition to that one, but, since there was so much overlap in members, only the LOM one is still active. We could get the MOCpages chat going again, though.


Yay, LOM hangout talk. :P It's good because of the messages popping up without refreshing, notifications and instant, in-chat picture uploading. Good for getting quick C&C on you're WIPs. (for example: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/420642)

There were two chats that I labelled; the LEGO.com and MOCPages hangout and the MOCPages and Flickr hangout but I only named them that to keep track of the people and since trying to merge members of each into one large group failed it all got a bit messed up. Perhaps we could make a single hangout called just simply the mocpages hangout and get everyone on G+ there.

oh and please no h in jonny! :P

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| October 17, 2015, 3:55 pm
What if a group gets representatives if it's in the first 10 pages of either Most Members, Most Active, or Most Creations, and a topic if it's on the first page of any of those? That makes it fair for groups like LoM that have relatively few members but lots of talk, without getting cluttered with too many groups.
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| October 17, 2015, 4:28 pm
 Group admin 
Rather than number of members it could be sorted by number of recent members joining as many of the groups with 200+ members will contain many inactive ones.
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| October 17, 2015, 4:37 pm
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Quoting LukeClarenceVan The Revanchist
What if a group gets representatives if it's in the first 10 pages of either Most Members, Most Active, or Most Creations, and a topic if it's on the first page of any of those? That makes it fair for groups like LoM that have relatively few members but lots of talk, without getting cluttered with too many groups.

This seems fair. But I'm having a lot of trouble navigating the group explore pages (when I go on most creations, for example, it doesn't give me the groups with the most creations, it gives me whatever was there in the previous category, and when I go on A-Z, it claims there are 0 groups on mocpages and I have to go back to the explore page and then click on groups again to get back to where I was before), so they might not be very reliable.
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| October 17, 2015, 7:15 pm
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Quoting Mr. Cab
This seems fair. But I'm having a lot of trouble navigating the group explore pages (when I go on most creations, for example, it doesn't give me the groups with the most creations, it gives me whatever was there in the previous category, and when I go on A-Z, it claims there are 0 groups on mocpages and I have to go back to the explore page and then click on groups again to get back to where I was before), so they might not be very reliable.

I know what you're talking about. It's a special MOCpages mistake hat happened to me more than once, but in most cases it just shows the groups in the correct order.


BUT NOTICE: It only shows up groups that have the word "group" in their title, rules or description, that's the reason why large groups like "MOCpages help" aren't on the list...
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| October 18, 2015, 10:34 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Sounds fairly good. 500 members is excessive, in my opinion - 200 might be better, since some of the most active MOCpages groups (e.g., the Lands of Mythron) aren't quite to the 500 member marker yet for all of their vitality,

I agree. 200 members sounds fair and isn't that hard to reach for a group.

But I still think that the number of members alone shouldn't be the main factor that considers a group worthy. People just need to take a look at MOCpages' 2nd largest group "The spanish trampoline!". There has been no mentionable activity in it for the last 2 years and the group has got no structure main theme or anything else that makes it interesting to new members. The only reason why some members join it, is the fact that it is a good dump for many creations without any theme requirements.

I think that instead we should get a broad overview about the fact in which groups there has been a regular activity over months (or at least where there still was regular activity a few months before they died)

The second aspect is that we will probably fail to revive a group permanetely if there aren't at least rudiments of a good group idea, topic or structure and something that differs it from other groups. Otherwise people will very soon lose their interest again...
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| October 18, 2015, 10:53 am
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Quoting jonnylegoboy911 .
Rather than number of members it could be sorted by number of recent members joining as many of the groups with 200+ members will contain many inactive ones.

This sounds more promising than just using the pure number of members, but sometimes it may not be reliable enough, because 30 new members doesn't automatically mean that all of them will be active in the group (although the possibility is still larger than in a group that didn't get any new members in the past 3 years)
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| October 18, 2015, 11:00 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
This sounds more promising than just using the pure number of members, but sometimes it may not be reliable enough, because 30 new members doesn't automatically mean that all of them will be active in the group (although the possibility is still larger than in a group that didn't get any new members in the past 3 years)


Well the only options now to my mind would be creating more work for you guys to do to work out if each group was worthy. No. Members, No. recent sign ups who have posted X number of builds since joining etc
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| October 18, 2015, 12:07 pm
 Group admin 
We could probably let common sense guide us - use a nomination and approval process in a different thread. Mathematical descriptions are generally less useful than human intuition in cases like this. For example, I might say that the Lands of Mythron should be involved because it has a lot of activity and conversation as well as regular events and changes. That would probably pass. If someone said that the Nerogue faction group should be represented for all the same reasons, that would be easy to shoot down because we could all see that Nerogue is just a subsidiary of the LOM. There are all sorts of potential exemption conditions that we wouldn't necessarily think of at first - really active groups that only have three members, groups that have an initial boom of activity but might die out shortly, groups that aren't accessible to the general community - that common sense can pick up on.
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| October 19, 2015, 3:28 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
We could probably let common sense guide us - use a nomination and approval process in a different thread.


Good point Gilbert. Let's not get caught up in minutiae right now - the important thing is to iron out the basic group idea and get things running smoothly ASAP. We can fine tune as we go along.
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| October 19, 2015, 8:05 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe

That makes sense. Maybe groups with 100 members and lots of activity would be better.
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| October 19, 2015, 10:49 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Mathematical descriptions are generally less useful than human intuition in cases like this.


I agree! That way we won't ignore groups that seem like a good mix of size, activity and main idea to us, only because they don't fit our mathematical conditions.

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| October 20, 2015, 6:25 am
 Group admin 
I agree with Gilbert on this. General intuition is the best way to go. Perhaps there can be a thread in which any member can nominate a group to get its own news thread? That way, if a group gets a certain number of nominations, the hub staff can examine it and decide whether it should get its own news thread or not, and if it's rejected, people are allowed to repetition after a month or two.
On the other hand, that might be over-complicated. Perhaps it's just better if the hub staff watches for active groups and gives them news threads when they think it's adequate to do so, forgoing the whole nomination process.
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| October 21, 2015, 1:11 am
 Group admin 
how are we going to connect the groups and keep them all fairly represented? sounds like some heavy moderation will be needed.
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| October 22, 2015, 10:31 am
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Quoting Shock TNC
how are we going to connect the groups and keep them all fairly represented? sounds like some heavy moderation will be needed.

Hmm, Maybe we can simply have a thread for representatives elected by the group to converse.
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| October 22, 2015, 11:03 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Shock TNC
how are we going to connect the groups and keep them all fairly represented? sounds like some heavy moderation will be needed.

Yes. I think first we need to contact the admins and mods or still active members of groups we decide to invite. Therefore we can use the already existing topic "Groups to contact". After we have reached a first broad connection, we can use some special tools to ensure the omnipresence of UGM, like the requirement of the UGM group banner and an official UGM topic in each partner group.
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| October 23, 2015, 9:01 am
So what is this exactly? =P
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| October 23, 2015, 6:30 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
how are we going to connect the groups and keep them all fairly represented? sounds like some heavy moderation will be needed.


We could have each group elect a head representative, who would be responsible for all of his group's representatives. Each of these heads could order the representatives under him however he liked, and they would meet regularly as a sort of "MOCpages council".
Also, to keep order within the council, each could be monitored in his decisions by two other members. If they felt as if one of his decisions was unwise, they would report it at the next meeting.
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| October 23, 2015, 9:01 pm
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Quoting Kyler of Cal-as Farion

We could have each group elect a head representative, who would be responsible for all of his group's representatives. Each of these heads could order the representatives under him however he liked, and they would meet regularly as a sort of "MOCpages council".
Also, to keep order within the council, each could be monitored in his decisions by two other members. If they felt as if one of his decisions was unwise, they would report it at the next meeting.

How would we organize meetings on a website liked mocpages? The idea is good, but I'm not sure the meeting concept will work out...
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| October 24, 2015, 2:41 am
Quoting Mr. Cab
How would we organize meetings on a website liked mocpages? The idea is good, but I'm not sure the meeting concept will work out...


We could make another group for the council only, then invite each member. A regular (possibly weekly) time could be agreed on to meet, and a new topic could be created on the conversation page for each meeting. After the meeting the topic would be locked.
If a member couldn't make it, they would say so in another topic, and the meeting would proceed. However, if the member is not present at one of the meetings and hasn't let the others know, they would gain a demerit. A certain number of demerits would mean a new member would be elected. That way, it would not fall into inactivity.
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| October 24, 2015, 12:31 pm
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Quoting Kyler of Cal-as Farion

We could make another group for the council only, then invite each member. A regular (possibly weekly) time could be agreed on to meet, and a new topic could be created on the conversation page for each meeting. After the meeting the topic would be locked.
If a member couldn't make it, they would say so in another topic, and the meeting would proceed. However, if the member is not present at one of the meetings and hasn't let the others know, they would gain a demerit. A certain number of demerits would mean a new member would be elected. That way, it would not fall into inactivity.

What is the point of a meeting when it could just be an ongoing conversation? In a normal, ongoing conversation, issues can be brought up as they occur, but if you have scheduled meetings, all issues have to be put on hold until a meeting is held. (And then there is the problem of scheduling meetings, which would be difficult considering the different time zones and the fact that most people have extracurricular activities.)
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| October 24, 2015, 8:39 pm
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Quoting Mr. Cab
What is the point of a meeting when it could just be an ongoing conversation? In a normal, ongoing conversation, issues can be brought up as they occur, but if you have scheduled meetings, all issues have to be put on hold until a meeting is held. (And then there is the problem of scheduling meetings, which would be difficult considering the different time zones and the fact that most people have extracurricular activities.)

I'm with Mr. Cab - the best way to do this is probably with the equivalent of a private staff group on MOCpages, or, if we're up for a bit of hypocrisy, on some other website. So far I've found those to work fairly well.

As far as representing groups goes, maybe we should give each one two delegates to the Hub staff for now. That way there's less chance of someone going inactive or misrepresenting his or her home group than there would be with single-person delegations, and it won't get too crowded in the staff group. A protocol for replacing inactive delegates would certainly be useful, too, although that would most likely have to be handled by the groups sending them rather than by the Hub staff.
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| October 25, 2015, 12:14 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I'm with Mr. Cab - the best way to do this is probably with the equivalent of a private staff group on MOCpages, or, if we're up for a bit of hypocrisy, on some other website. So far I've found those to work fairly well.

As far as representing groups goes, maybe we should give each one two delegates to the Hub staff for now. That way there's less chance of someone going inactive or misrepresenting his or her home group than there would be with single-person delegations, and it won't get too crowded in the staff group. A protocol for replacing inactive delegates would certainly be useful, too, although that would most likely have to be handled by the groups sending them rather than by the Hub staff.
I agree, 2 reps would be needed. should we try for 1 admin and 1 moderator for each group? that way Group moderators can participate.

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| October 25, 2015, 12:37 pm
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To get back on topic, which is, in fact, topics, can I get approval for this list of threads? I would like to have a complete list so that we can get them started in the construction groups and have links that go to them.

General Conversation (check)
Help/Report a Problem
Questions and Answers
Open advertisement thread (groups, contests and other public items of note; no promotion for personal creations)
New member introduction thread
Advice on starting groups
General MOCpages advice
Rules, overview, etc.
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| October 26, 2015, 7:23 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
To get back on topic, which is, in fact, topics, can I get approval for this list of threads? I would like to have a complete list so that we can get them started in the construction groups and have links that go to them.

General Conversation (check)
Help/Report a Problem
Questions and Answers
Open advertisement thread (groups, contests and other public items of note; no promotion for personal creations)
New member introduction thread
Advice on starting groups
General MOCpages advice
Rules, overview, etc.
Those all sound great to me!

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| October 26, 2015, 8:10 pm
 Group admin 
One idea that has been on my mind, What if we only allowed "Group newsletter" Mocs to be added to the Group? That way it doesn't become just another place to post your Mocs. Also by doing that it becomes more of a News Center or a "Hub" if you will :)
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| October 26, 2015, 8:27 pm
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Quoting Shock TNC
One idea that has been on my mind, What if we only allowed "Group newsletter" Mocs to be added to the Group? That way it doesn't become just another place to post your Mocs. Also by doing that it becomes more of a News Center or a "Hub" if you will :)

That's the current plan, actually. The group will only be unlocked when a staff member has an article ready to post.
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| October 27, 2015, 4:36 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
That's the current plan, actually. The group will only be unlocked when a staff member has an article ready to post.
Oh, Sweet.

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| October 27, 2015, 5:48 pm
 Group admin 
We might want to add a Update thread too
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| October 27, 2015, 7:33 pm
 Group admin 
I think on the homepage we should also have a "Why Join?" Section to give groups reasons to be part of the hub.
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| October 27, 2015, 9:20 pm
 Group admin 
Concerning newsletters.

1. Will the criteria of the newsletters be predetermined or do the writers have the ability to choose things themselves to 'report' on?

2. Relating to Q.1, Can the writer delve into people's personal stories, say, in groups like LOM and write about interesting things they find as well as the more major news, (eg. Reese Hawthorne's Black Council orcs which have been referenced in and become part of a couple of other users' stories as well).

3. Are newsletters written by one writer or are they collaborative? Or is their possibility for both?
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| October 27, 2015, 9:23 pm
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Quoting jonnylegoboy911 .
Concerning newsletters.

1. Will the criteria of the newsletters be predetermined or do the writers have the ability to choose things themselves to 'report' on?

2. Relating to Q.1, Can the writer delve into people's personal stories, say, in groups like LOM and write about interesting things they find as well as the more major news, (eg. Reese Hawthorne's Black Council orcs which have been referenced in and become part of a couple of other users' stories as well).

3. Are newsletters written by one writer or are they collaborative? Or is their possibility for both?

I think that newsletter topics would have to be approved before they are posted, just so that we don't have a bunch of irrelevant stuff. Anyone can suggest a topic, but they won't all get through. If there are any consistent topics (like a weekly moc showcase), those wouldn't need approval.
I don't think people's stories are worth reporting on. Of course, there could be exceptions (like for example the nine-person crossover that Gilbert organized a while back), but in general, even multi-story elements like the one that you mentioned wouldn't be enough for a news post. However, I think that it would definitely be enough for a news comment in a group news thread.
News reports can be written by one or several people, I'd think...
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| October 28, 2015, 12:31 am
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Quoting Mr. Cab
I think that newsletter topics would have to be approved before they are posted, just so that we don't have a bunch of irrelevant stuff. Anyone can suggest a topic, but they won't all get through. If there are any consistent topics (like a weekly moc showcase), those wouldn't need approval.
I don't think people's stories are worth reporting on. Of course, there could be exceptions (like for example the nine-person crossover that Gilbert organized a while back), but in general, even multi-story elements like the one that you mentioned wouldn't be enough for a news post. However, I think that it would definitely be enough for a news comment in a group news thread.
News reports can be written by one or several people, I'd think...


Well I only suggested incuding the more 'irrelevan' stuff because when you are making the newsletter as one would upload a MOC you get a whole page for it. Important stuff could go at the top interesting tidbits below.

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| October 28, 2015, 7:46 am
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I think there could be a place for reporting on people's stories or long-term projects, but we wouldn't want to do too many of those. We probably want a mix of several different topics:
- Large events on MOCpages, including contests or projects like FOTB's 2,000 vignettes
- Updates to MOCpages or large changes to the Hub
- Recap articles on the larger groups every now and then to keep outsiders up-to-date
- Plugs for original new groups that are growing in popularity
- Reviews of current, popular MOCpages posts or interviews with their builders (e.g., Mihu and Halliwell's "Rivers of Hell" project would be a good choice for this week or month)
- Showcases for the projects of less-well-known members who do a decent job to give everyone a sense of inclusion and give people a perspective on "normal" activity on MOCpages

It might be a good policy to ensure that one of each kind of these articles is posted each month on average so that we strike a balance between not overloading the viewers and covering all the bases.

Also, I agree that we should accept posts from people that aren't on the Hub staff if we think they're fitting. That will save us some work and inspire others to try their hands as well, and probably increase awareness and community sensibility on top of that.
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| October 28, 2015, 1:40 pm
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Quoting jonnylegoboy911 .

Well I only suggested incuding the more 'irrelevan' stuff because when you are making the newsletter as one would upload a MOC you get a whole page for it. Important stuff could go at the top interesting tidbits below.

Oh. Sorry, I might have misunderstood you there. That would be fine, I'd think.
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| October 28, 2015, 8:09 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I think there could be a place for reporting on people's stories or long-term projects, but we wouldn't want to do too many of those. We probably want a mix of several different topics:
- Large events on MOCpages, including contests or projects like FOTB's 2,000 vignettes
- Updates to MOCpages or large changes to the Hub
- Recap articles on the larger groups every now and then to keep outsiders up-to-date
- Plugs for original new groups that are growing in popularity
- Reviews of current, popular MOCpages posts or interviews with their builders (e.g., Mihu and Halliwell's "Rivers of Hell" project would be a good choice for this week or month)
- Showcases for the projects of less-well-known members who do a decent job to give everyone a sense of inclusion and give people a perspective on "normal" activity on MOCpages

It might be a good policy to ensure that one of each kind of these articles is posted each month on average so that we strike a balance between not overloading the viewers and covering all the bases.

Also, I agree that we should accept posts from people that aren't on the Hub staff if we think they're fitting. That will save us some work and inspire others to try their hands as well, and probably increase awareness and community sensibility on top of that.

This is a great guideline. For highlighting the Mocs of lesser known people, it may be good to make that bi-weekly or even weekly.
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| October 28, 2015, 8:10 pm
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I have a idea; what if we create a Mocpages account for the Hub ? Keeping the password safe would be a tricky challenge but I'm sure we could manage. I 'll get to work on a prototype right away to give you guys a idea of what I'm talking about.
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| November 15, 2015, 9:51 am
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Quoting Shock TNC
I have a idea; what if we create a Mocpages account for the Hub ? Keeping the password safe would be a tricky challenge but I'm sure we could manage. I 'll get to work on a prototype right away to give you guys a idea of what I'm talking about.
Actually, it will not let me use my E-mail for two accounts so if we where to do this someone would need to create a new E-mail. I still think its worth trying.

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| November 15, 2015, 10:07 am
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Quoting Shock TNC
Quoting Shock TNC
I have a idea; what if we create a Mocpages account for the Hub ? Keeping the password safe would be a tricky challenge but I'm sure we could manage. I 'll get to work on a prototype right away to give you guys a idea of what I'm talking about.
Actually, it will not let me use my E-mail for two accounts so if we where to do this someone would need to create a new E-mail. I still think its worth trying.


Well that's no issue. You just make a gmail account and give all the admins the username and password then make a mocpages account and give al the admins the username and password for that too

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| November 15, 2015, 11:12 am
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Quoting Shock TNC
I have a idea; what if we create a Mocpages account for the Hub ? Keeping the password safe would be a tricky challenge but I'm sure we could manage. I 'll get to work on a prototype right away to give you guys a idea of what I'm talking about.

Sounds great! That way it will look more "official" and we can also write much more about it!
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| November 15, 2015, 12:15 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Sounds great! That way it will look more "official" and we can also write much more about it!

I'm not sure about this. I think it's better for people to know which admin wrote what.
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| November 20, 2015, 7:14 pm
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Quoting Mr. Cab
I'm not sure about this. I think it's better for people to know which admin wrote what.

You have a good point there. But please don't get me wrong, I think it would be a nice idea to use the MOCpages hub account not instead of the admin accounts, but in addition to them, mainly serving the purpose to create another site where we can write something about the Hub. We could also use it as a place where we can publish all the creations that are the official hub announcements which can also be found in the main group. While I agree with you that the Hub account shouldn't write to many comments in the main group and shouldn't be more important than the actual people behind UGM, I'm very sure that it may serve some purpose and fill an important gap. It's definitely worth a try to include it somehow...
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| November 22, 2015, 9:03 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
You have a good point there. But please don't get me wrong, I think it would be a nice idea to use the MOCpages hub account not instead of the admin accounts, but in addition to them, mainly serving the purpose to create another site where we can write something about the Hub. We could also use it as a place where we can publish all the creations that are the official hub announcements which can also be found in the main group. While I agree with you that the Hub account shouldn't write to many comments in the main group and shouldn't be more important than the actual people behind UGM, I'm very sure that it may serve some purpose and fill an important gap. It's definitely worth a try to include it somehow...
that's exactly what I was going for.

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| November 22, 2015, 11:04 am
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I made the hub account. Login details in the private group. If you want to know which admin wrote what you could just put 'written by....' at the end of all the news posts made using the specific account
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| November 22, 2015, 12:00 pm
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Quoting jonnylegoboy911 .
I made the hub account. Login details in the private group. If you want to know which admin wrote what you could just put 'written by....' at the end of all the news posts made using the specific account

Thank you!
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| November 24, 2015, 10:41 am
Quoting Shock TNC
I have a idea; what if we create a Mocpages account for the Hub ? Keeping the password safe would be a tricky challenge but I'm sure we could manage. I 'll get to work on a prototype right away to give you guys a idea of what I'm talking about.

I actually really like that idea. Nice one. (This has been a rare comment by me. Don't expect too many for a while.)
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| November 29, 2015, 7:47 pm
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Quoting Saxton .
I actually really like that idea. Nice one. (This has been a rare comment by me. Don't expect too many for a while.)
Thanks !

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| November 30, 2015, 12:00 pm
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